Channel 4 Undercover - Ford Employees boozin it up
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jdustu
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LTLHOMER said:
how smart are they, that they go 6 figures into debt for a stupid piece of paper???? i figured out i could do just fine without(even before my nice cushy uaw job) after about 2 years and 50k of debt:laugh: theres a place for higher education, and most of my friends have gone that route, but its one of the biggest scams in america today.
and, hypothetically of course, imagine that not every uaw worker is a scamming piece of dog feces, why shouldn't someone performing physical labor for 60-80 hours a week make just as much as someone punching numbers into a keyboard for 40 hours a week?
i gotta get to work and get stoned, i'm out:wink:
Uthinkso
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It comes down to human nature and self control. People know they can get away with shit and they take advantage of the system, others take the higher road with a strong work ethic and do the job they are paid to do.
Of course there are many union workers that follow order and do their part, but there are many that do not. I find it really hard to feel compassion for people when they stand around for 50 hours a week, take a paycheck, screw the system then break out their violin when they get laid off. Profit and worker efficiency direct effect lay-offs how productive a company is. I sight asian auto manufacturers as a strong example of this.
But thats my .02
Of course there are many union workers that follow order and do their part, but there are many that do not. I find it really hard to feel compassion for people when they stand around for 50 hours a week, take a paycheck, screw the system then break out their violin when they get laid off. Profit and worker efficiency direct effect lay-offs how productive a company is. I sight asian auto manufacturers as a strong example of this.
But thats my .02
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CableGuy said:
Fair trade wouldn't do much for us. Japanese people straight up buy japanese shit. We could send 2 million cars over there for $50 each and they wouldn't buy them, end of story. Look at something like Xbox. The most video game crazed nation on the planet and they are ceaselessly loyal to Playstation. Alot of Europe is the same. You live in France, it's insulting if you don't own a Citroen, Puegot, Renault, etc. Germans drive BMW and Mercedes....
CableGuy
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Im talking about the complete opposite. If the japs wanna pay there workers 5 bucks and hour and sell there car for 10K less than a US car, then, lets just say jap cars have a automatically 5g tax for an "Out of country" company.
Sounds pretty damn fair to me.
Why isnt it the same here?:dontknow:
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TSHAFTISA5-OH
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It is not just the UAW that is a worthless union.....My union just recently fought for 12 officers jobs that were fired for not being physically fit enough to pass the entry level physical fitness test to take the academy, which they signed a contract on their hire date stating that they understood if they didn't pass the academy when their turn came up, they would be fired. You can't get into the academy without passing this test, therefore if you fail the test, you fail the academy.........All 12 got their jobs back! But yet, I can get harassed by the supervisors here, and the union turns their back on me, and the other guys that show up everyday and do our jobs because they are too busy fighting for the lazy asses! And it's not like it was just "sprung" on these guys, they have known the day was coming for around 4 years!
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dpmcghee
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Fryguy302 said:
Raj,
I share alot of your same sentiments, but I am not fully convinced that if the unions went away there would be a return to a time of the worker getting constantly screwed... Now perhaps I am ignorant (and I am open to the possibility that I am, especially in this matter), but generally speaking I'm not too stupid (there are some who would argue this point, I'm sure:wink: )... I just don't see it.
Many, many industries operate without the influence of unions, and their workers are happy, productive, well-cared for, etc... Today's workplace is vastly improved over yesterday's environment. Some of the thanks goes to unions, but also much of this is due to Federal Regulations and their enforcement by the Federal Govt.
Over the years, I have worked in several non-union businesses that treated me very well. For example, years ago in Chicago, I worked for IKEA on their loading dock. Now, I didn't expect to get paid $30 per hour for a manual labor job that any schmoe could have done, but I was always treated with fairness. It was a good place to work as a part-time job.
Personally, I think that the only way for this mess to be resolved is for the unions to be completely destroyed. It will be messy, difficult for many people, but ultimately, it may be the only thing that will save these companies.
Dan
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The union is buisness and make millions. I really don't see them getting rid of unions. I do however see them giving the union an option baically well let you stay in buisness if.....pay is cut, employee contribute more to heath care etc.
What's the union really going to do? for every employee that's not working as a union employee that's less money there making and i believe when it come down to it the union would rather make money than care about what happens to them.
I know in my job each union person cheif stewart and above gets paid x amount per each union employee there and the higher up in the union you are the more $ you get per person
What's the union really going to do? for every employee that's not working as a union employee that's less money there making and i believe when it come down to it the union would rather make money than care about what happens to them.
I know in my job each union person cheif stewart and above gets paid x amount per each union employee there and the higher up in the union you are the more $ you get per person
Fryguy302
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dpmcghee said:
Dan-
I know you're not stupid
In this case, maybe ignorant? I used to feel exactly the same way you do, as I've pretty much never been treated unfairly as a worker except when I was actually in management
I've had the (mis)fortune of being exposed to a lot of business owners and gone to some seminars/gatherings which were really geared towards owners of companies, rather than employees at any level. The people I've met and the discussions I've heard have led me to believe that yes, the working man would be screwed if there was absolutely no entity looking out for them. In fact, if you look back in history....they were screwed. What's changed that would make it different now? For sure not morals or ethics, unfortunately. Yes, there are laws and regulations, as you've stated, but there are ways around them, and again, that opens the door for bringing in a lot more government than we need.
We just need to somehow control the unions....almost need a union policing entity of some sort. I guess I don't have any real answers, I just know that the unions right now suck, and we need to do something about them. The UAW for sure.
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outlawss said::laugh: you sound very stupid. your dad is one of the reasons cars cost what they do nowadays....ow: tell your pops thanks :wink:
Well unfortuantly for you I dont talk to him anymore, but IF I do ill tell him some jackass on motown has his panites in a bunch for myself sharing an honest opinion and agreeing with Channel 4.:wink:
Fryguy302 said:
Agreed
boosted gt
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DBK said:
ford,toyota and opel are big sellers in germany.
detroitfire23
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The union issue is a double-edged sword. Sometimes they help lazy people keep jobs that they don't deseve, and other times, they keep cities like Detroit, from trying to fuck people over. If we were not union, there is no way we would have the benefits and even the pay we get (it ain't much). I would like to think our union is a little different than the UAW.
