2017 Lions football thread

DetroitStyle said:
Stafford had the highest completion percentage in the league on Sunday. 24/29 and that's with two drops that hit receivers (Golladay and Tate) in both hands. That's an 82% completion rate. No QB in the league was more accurate than Stafford this week. He completed 20 straight passes.

You're gonna put it on him? Think about that. He's making the throws. It's the predictable play calling (run) in the red zone from the coaching staff that's causing this team to stall.

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The 20 straight passes was impressive. Unfortunately one INT and two fumbles (with one lost) didn't help the cause. Is he to blame for yesterday's loss? No. Has he ever put the team on his back to win a big game? No.
 
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The 20 straight passes was impressive. Unfortunately one INT and two fumbles (with one lost) didn't help the cause. Is he to blame for yesterday's loss? No. Has he ever put the team on his back to win a big game? No.
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Without the drops, he would have finished the game 26/29, over 300 yards, one INT and one TD. That's a hell of a game for a QB.

I will agree that the fumbles hurt. The first one, despite being recovered, was on him and probably cost them a field goal. The second one, which was lost, nobody hangs onto that ball. He got blasted from behind by an untouched blitzer. That's on the line/RB, not Stafford.

The INT was on him and was a pretty serious "WTF Stafford?!" moment for me.
 
DetroitStyle said:
Without the drops, he would have finished the game 26/29, over 300 yards, one INT and one TD. That's a hell of a game for a QB.

I will agree that the fumbles hurt. The first one, despite being recovered, was on him and probably cost them a field goal. The second one, which was lost, nobody hangs onto that ball. He got blasted from behind by an untouched blitzer. That's on the line/RB, not Stafford.

The INT was on him and was a pretty serious "WTF Stafford?!" moment for me.
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And you could play the if and what hypothetical game a million different ways with a million different games.

Fact of the matter is the guy and the team doesn't win big games. Period.
 
jsxtreme said:
And you could play the if and what hypothetical game a million different ways with a million different games.

Fact of the matter is the guy and the team doesn't win big games. Period.
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Agreed. But facts are also facts and he was 24/29 for 290 yards with 2 big drops. And nobody in the league had a better completion percentage than Stafford. So, how is it the QBs fault if he is more accurate than any other QB that day?

When your QB throws for an 82% completion percentage and almost 300 yards... you have to look somewhere else to figure out why you got blown out by 24 points

1. Another sub 100 yard rushing effort as a team
2. A defense that gave up 44 points
3. Predicable playcalling that causes the offense to stall in the red zone

Those are all much bigger issues than Stafford


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Blaming Stafford would be like being pissed off at Prater for missing a FG and an extra point. I know that Prater is possibly the best kicker in the league, definitely top 3, so I ain't even mad at the guy. He's won so many games for the Lions with clutch kicks that I know pinning any loss on him is foolish. Just like Stafford


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What happened? Lions won? Oh against a team with a losing record..... lemme go check the tapes.. I'm sure Statford put up a bunch of yards playing against a team a shitty as they are.
 
He played pretty well, 1 TD and 2 INT's. Lots of completions. I'm sure the Lions will win out and by doing so torpedo their draft stock, get bounced in round 1 of the playoffs and keep Caldwell's job. It's the "new" same old Lions.
 
Another solid day from Stafford. He's completed 80% of his passes over two games. More importantly, the defense appears to be playing well again. The Bears gashed them on the ground the first time they played... not this time.

Offensive line looked awful again.


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Feel weird rooting for the Packers, but we need Carolina and/or ATL to tank hard to end the season.


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jsxtreme said:
He played pretty well, 1 TD and 2 INT's. Lots of completions. I'm sure the Lions will win out and by doing so torpedo their draft stock, get bounced in round 1 of the playoffs and keep Caldwell's job. It's the "new" same old Lions.
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Going to the playoffs every year is disappointing to you? Think about that. 3 years ago, this team had been to the playoffs ONCE since 2000. Caldwell arrives in 2014 and now you guys are complaining about going regularly like that's some sort of massive failure...

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DetroitStyle said:
Going to the playoffs every year is disappointing to you? Think about that. 3 years ago, this team had been to the playoffs ONCE since 2000. Caldwell arrives in 2014 and now you guys are complaining about going regularly like that's some sort of massive failure...

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How many playoff wins since Caldwell arrived ?
 
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How many playoff wins since Caldwell arrived ?
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It's like nobody in this board understands the concept of progress. Let me see if I can get out the crayons and have this make sense for you.

You buy a car. It should run 13s (use 13s as a metaphor for the playoffs in case you didn't catch that) but it runs 15s for like fourteen straight years. Sometimes, it runs 17s or 18s. You can't even crack 14s, let alone 13s.

Finally you decide that you need to make some improvements. Using the same parts, but now properly tuned... your next four runs down the strip are 13.0, 14.0, 13.0 and 13.5.

You're pretty happy with your tuner, right? 13s are better than 15s, right? The car is moving in the right direction for sure. Then some turd walks up you and says "Yeah, but how many 12s have you run with that guy? Your tuner sucks!"


Again, this team went to the playoffs ONCE in 15 years. Had multiple losing seasons... and not just 7-9 seasons, like AVERAGED 4-12 through the previous 5 coaches over that fifteen year span. And you turds all of a sudden aren't pleased with a steady run of 9/10 win seasons.



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This puts it into perspective for me. I think I posted this in last year's Lions thread.

http://www.detroitlions.com/team/history/all-time-head-coaches.html

You have to go back 45 YEARS to find a multi-speed coach with as good a record as Caldwell. Of course, that also points out how long the team has been mediocre and how fans want continued growth. I don't think being critical is a bad thing either.

I don't watch a ton of footsportsball, but even I can see that the offensive line needs a lot of help, and the most valuable asset (by contract value) is getting his ass kicked, and somehow has not had a season ending injury, or worse. Top 10 QB, bottom 10 offensive line.

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beertestr said:
This puts it into perspective for me. I think I posted this in last year's Lions thread.

http://www.detroitlions.com/team/history/all-time-head-coaches.html

You have to go back 45 YEARS to find a multi-speed coach with as good a record as Caldwell. Of course, that also points out how long the team has been mediocre and how fans want continued growth. I don't think being critical is a bad thing either.

I don't watch a ton of footsportsball, but even I can see that the offensive line needs a lot of help, and the most valuable asset (by contract value) is getting his ass kicked, and somehow has not had a season ending injury, or worse. Top 10 QB, bottom 10 offensive line.

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I posted it in last year's thread, but apparently it didn't sink in. Since Gary Moeller in 2000 until Caldwell arrived in 2014, the Lions went 64-151. Caldwell is 35-27. Been to the playoffs twice as many times in 3 years as the previous coaches managed in 15 years.

Lions fans don't understand numbers


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DetroitStyle said:
Going to the playoffs every year is disappointing to you? Think about that. 3 years ago, this team had been to the playoffs ONCE since 2000. Caldwell arrives in 2014 and now you guys are complaining about going regularly like that's some sort of massive failure...

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I mean, if you're happy with squeaking into the playoffs and then getting bounced in the wild card game, more power to you. I'm not. I'd prefer to see a playoff win, maybe win a big game. I don't know, call me crazy.

I also wouldn't call going to the wild card game 3 of the last 6 years a "regular" thing.
 
Why do the lions always need to be "backed doored" into the playoffs? They have to wait until other team fails in order for them to get in?
If they were a "good" team/coach/quarterback they wouldn't need help getting in, they'd be in it 2 weeks ago.
I hope they make they playoffs... I'd loved to watch them get totally smoked in the first round, like 56-0
 
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