ZL1 Camaro... 7:41 at the 'ring

[DetroitStyle]

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAYUM

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[DBK]

Not saying I don't believe they produced that time, but Ring times are just about bullshit. Way too many variables, way too many varying levels of effort by various groups. A car that's up 1000 lbs and only 50 hp on a 911 GT2 isn't lapping a 12 mile course only 9 seconds slower on the same day than Walter Rohrl in that GT2...

 

[sardeanie]

That sounds impressive, and then you look at the list at what it beats and DAAAAYUM is right! It looked impressive on paper a month ago but this Ring time is the proof. Wow!

 

[WhiteHawk]

What you have to take away from this is that GM is building cars that it wants to put up against the best in the world, not just the best in the US. GM is engineering the vehicles specifically to perform on that track, then using the track time to validate their engineering.

When Ford comes out with the next GT500 it will be interesting to see if they hit the Ring to post a time, or just try to post a bigger dyno sheet.

-Geoff

 

[dline]

$50,000 car should do it in that time

 

[Scooter70]

$50,000 car should do it in that time

The $50,000 car does it in the same time a $160,000 car (911 Turbo S). THAT is the point.

 

[The Man]

I dont see any Shelby's anywhere.

 

[RBOD]

I have a hard time believing that any new Camaro is only a tick slower than the Ford GT.

 

[DBK]

What you have to take away from this is that GM is building cars that it wants to put up against the best in the world, not just the best in the US. GM is engineering the vehicles specifically to perform on that track, then using the track time to validate their engineering.

When Ford comes out with the next GT500 it will be interesting to see if they hit the Ring to post a time, or just try to post a bigger dyno sheet.

-Geoff

It's nice that they get good numbers, but the pursuit is getting good numbers for the internet more than engineering validation. There's nothing you can figure out at Nurburgring you can't figure out at VIR. Like I said, I've been to the ring on days when there is blistering sun on half the track and pissing rain on the other, so the idea that you can replicate circumstance and condition is non existent. They constantly repave and repair sections altering the speeds at which you can take them. Comparing times is getting more and more futile the more people become interested in it.

Same day, same driver, GT500 will beat ZL1.

 

[b78cobra]

shit a loaded SS is 55 grand right? If they are using the V-series drivetrain will it be the same price as a cts-v?

 

[4 cam tbird]

From what everyone said that drove that car on the 'Ring the couple weeks it was over there, it handles pretty awesome. It has lots of new stuff, some of which is being used for the first time. You can doubt and nay say all you want but that car will be no joke. It has been to VIR. That time was closely guarded, I don't think anyone that wasn't at the track was told what it was. And there are definitely things you can learn at the ring that you can't at VIR.

 

[cjmatt]

I dont see any Shelby's anywhere.

i dont think theyve taken one to the ring. but the laguna seca will walk all over the gt500 anyway

 

[DBK]

It has been to VIR. That time was closely guarded, I don't think anyone that wasn't at the track was told what it was.

Which is why I mentioned VIR. Need better guards

And there are definitely things you can learn at the ring that you can't at VIR.

In some literal sense of what the car will do on a specific turn, sure.

 

[Fryguy302]

That's bad ass. If they took it to the ring and took their time and worked it until they got a good ET then props to them. Ford needs to do the same thing. It may be marketing, but unless the times are totally fabricated, it's still something an enthusiast can use to measure the car. If they had better conditions than Ford did on their test day, Ford needs to keep going back until they get a better day. No excuses competition is cool.

 

[Billydroveit]

That's bad ass. If they took it to the ring and took their time and worked it until they got a good ET then props to them. Ford needs to do the same thing. It may be marketing, but unless the times are totally fabricated, it's still something an enthusiast can use to measure the car. If they had better conditions than Ford did on their test day, Ford needs to keep going back until they get a better day. No excuses competition is cool.

well said/

 

[ConfusedGarage]

I'm no 5th gen camaro fan, but these are pretty amazing days we live in. You can walk into a local Chevy dealer where your Tahoe gets serviced, and roll out with a $55k 4 seater with a 100,000 mile powertrain warranty and lap the ring in times nipping at the heels of poor excuses for what some label "supercars". Unfucking real. Oh, and it doesn't get 14 mpg like some of those thirsty euro pigs, or require their bankrupting mainenance rituals.

 

[WhiteHawk]

It's nice that they get good numbers, but the pursuit is getting good numbers for the internet more than engineering validation. There's nothing you can figure out at Nurburgring you can't figure out at VIR. Like I said, I've been to the ring on days when there is blistering sun on half the track and pissing rain on the other, so the idea that you can replicate circumstance and condition is non existent. They constantly repave and repair sections altering the speeds at which you can take them. Comparing times is getting more and more futile the more people become interested in it.

Same day, same driver, GT500 will beat ZL1.

Hmmm, I didn't even see a GT500 time on the list posted. But this is the internet, so if you say it, it must be true. Did they run the previous GT500 at the ring? And keep telling yourself that it is for just a marketing ploy. The only way to put down times like that is to design up front for it.

And maybe the DA is different, but don't you think all the automakers wait for an ideal day to get their best time? Do you think if Ford runs the GT500 in the rain they will post that time? Or in 100 degree heat? No way. You get the best time you can get on the best day possible. Nothing wrong with that. Time to break out of denial and face the facts - the ZL1 kicks ass - with both brute force power and a high technology chassis.

-Geoff

 

[4 cam tbird]

I'm sure there are Lexus guys and BMW guys that could verify the lap time. I know our guys were reporting back that they were timing the LFA and it's latest time was completely legit. They said it ran ton of laps within a second of the lap of record that had recently been run.

 

[DBK]

I'm not talking about the previous GT500. I'm talking 2013 vs. 2013. Obviously the ZL1 will be faster around a racetrack than the old GT500.

Of course it's for marketing purposes. Nobody puts more effort into getting or publishing Ring times than GM. Nobody. Not even the companies that use it as home base. Go to the Ring any day of the week and it's full of manufacturer Porsche, BMW and Benz cars. None of them pursue publishing fastest laps like GM does.

I'm not saying it doesn't kick ass either or denying it's extremely fast.

 

[ConfusedGarage]

There is a direct correlation between the time and money OEMs spend at the track and who has points on the board when it comes to the ring list. Look at the brands on that top list, its all the same folks spending the big r&r dollars there. You have to design and test there, THEN run the time there to be able to brag about it. It's not the other way around. Race car drivers from around the world label the green hell as the most demanding and challenging race course in the world, VIR is irrelevant to compare and not the benchmark that OEMs strive to conquer.

Yes, there is variation day to day, but its all relevative to a certain extent. Were talking seconds and tenths not 10-30 seconds. To talk assumptions about a car that not only hasn't run it yet, but isn't even for sale yet is like a playground child claiming his Dad can beat up so and so's Dad.

I say kudos to the fugly camaro, it walked the walk and offers one hell of a value.