Nissan GT-R runs around the 'ring again.....

[Quick86]

Ring times are bullshit. Put 5 of each car on a road course and let them have it out.

Erroneous! Erroneous! Erroneous on both accounts!










The ring is a VERY good test of a car to show it's abilities... What you're asking for shows driver skill more than cars abilities...

 

[AJ 87SC]

Ok,
So everyone here is SO proud of a 113,000 car beating a 70,000 car.

That seems pretty retarded to me it SHOULD KILL the GTR.
With 620 hp VS 489 and 43,000 difference the gap should be alot farther then it is.

The major difference is you can take Joe shmo and put him in a GTR and it will run well. You tkae anyone in a ZR-1 and they are likely to kill themselves.

I also know the Gm driver of this vehicle, and he is far from an Engineer he is a BAD ASS driver as well, and has more hours in vette's then anyone I can think of.

Get off your high horse and give the "Foreign POS" at least some credit.

 

[robvas]

Erroneous! Erroneous! Erroneous on both accounts!










The ring is a VERY good test of a car to show it's abilities... What you're asking for shows driver skill more than cars abilities...

Too big of a track and too many variables to bicker about a few seconds difference.

 

[Quick86]

Ok,
So everyone here is SO proud of a 113,000 car beating a 70,000 car.

That seems pretty retarded to me it SHOULD KILL the GTR.
With 620 hp VS 489 and 43,000 difference the gap should be alot farther then it is.

The major difference is you can take Joe shmo and put him in a GTR and it will run well. You tkae anyone in a ZR-1 and they are likely to kill themselves.

I also know the Gm driver of this vehicle, and he is far from an Engineer he is a BAD ASS driver as well, and has more hours in vette's then anyone I can think of.

Get off your high horse and give the "Foreign POS" at least some credit.

I for one will not give much credit to a company that produces a car that doesn't

a) Go as fast as advertised without destroying it's warranty.

AND

b) Is priced so low they actually do not make a profit from selling it and only price it for bragging rights (Toyota does the same with the Prius --- they lose money each time they sell a Prius... They make $$$ back tho with maint. costs and service...)...

And I wouldn't exactly say you can take any schmoe and put them in a GTR to run nearly that fast... The GTRs speed comes from turning off all the safety features AND voiding the warranty.

Nobody is arguing that the GTR isn't fast, it's just why would you want a $70,000 car that is so brittle that after a few hard laps you're guaranteed to require service that will now cost you an arm, a leg, and two testicles because to go as quick as they advertise it to be you had to press the "R" button and flip the VSC which completely voided your warranty.



Also - I'd say the ZR1 is a much NICER car as far as comfort go....

Quote from a comparison between the ZR1 and GTR...

Having driven the 2009 Nissan GT-R out to Arizona, we're already all too familiar with the GT-R's road manners. Its adjustable suspension has a Comfort mode, but it merely cracks your teeth into finer pieces than the standard setting. We also notice that truck ruts in the pavement will send the GT-R sailing into the median if you're not paying attention, while concrete highways produce so much tire noise that it sounds like we're riding inside a cement mixer.

 

[AJ 87SC]

I for one will not give much credit to a company that produces a car that doesn't

a) Go as fast as advertised without destroying it's warranty.

AND

b) Is priced so low they actually do not make a profit from selling it and only price it for bragging rights (Toyota does the same with the Prius --- they lose money each time they sell a Prius... They make $$$ back tho with maint. costs and service...)...

And I wouldn't exactly say you can take any schmoe and put them in a GTR to run nearly that fast... The GTRs speed comes from turning off all the safety features AND voiding the warranty.

Nobody is arguing that the GTR isn't fast, it's just why would you want a $70,000 car that is so brittle that after a few hard laps you're guaranteed to require service that will now cost you an arm, a leg, and two testicles because to go as quick as they advertise it to be you had to press the "R" button and flip the VSC which completely voided your warranty.



Also - I'd say the ZR1 is a much NICER car as far as comfort go....

Quote from a comparison between the ZR1 and GTR...

Good points but have you been to any of the Voided warranty cars?
Have you looked at the computer diagnostics to see the blatant abuse the car recieved upon failure? I have seen these failures and know several people who have them and drive the wee out of them and they don't break...I have been one of those people

Also I was not saying any joe shmo could run these specific times, god knows that is not possible. I am saying the GTR will be more consistent and forgiving then a ZR-1. Which personally I LIKE about the ZR-1.

Also having driven both there is no way the interior or ride of a ZR-1 is in any way better then a GTR. You know in BOTH you are driving a SERIOUS sports car, and ride is rough. Especially if the GTR has the Dunlops.

I am not saying the GTR is the end all of cars, I jsut hate when people read things on the internet about GTR failures and think everything is the word with not knowing the details....

It is an amazing car for the money and can be driven to the extreme without blatantly tearing the car apart...

Also for the 43,000 difference the ZR-1 should crush the GTR, which it does not...even with VERY competent drivers in BOTH cars.

-AJ

 

[CableGuy]

Anyone who supports a car that has FACTORY OPTIONS, if used VOIDS THE WARRANTY is a retard.

What a piece of shit! Also, do it from a DIG like every other car out there. (I guess they had to keep the ricer flyby alive and strong.)

Also, Im going to go looking for 2009/2010 'Warranty Revision', where in it states even if you dont use Nissan lubricants it will void your entire power train warranty. LMAO!

 

[AJ 87SC]

Anyone who supports a car that has FACTORY OPTIONS, if used VOIDS THE WARRANTY is a retard.

What a piece of shit! Also, do it from a DIG like every other car out there.

Also, Im going to go looking for 2009/2010 'Warranty Revision', where in it states even if you dont use Nissan lubricants it will void your entire power train warranty. LMAO!

HAHAHAH
OK, once again not knowing all the details because it is on the internet.
Trying to enlighten a few people, but nevermind.

I would take either car in a heartbeat....
:buds:

 

[robvas]

Also for the 43,000 difference the ZR-1 should crush the GTR, which it does not...even with VERY competent drivers in BOTH cars.

It does, at the drag strip.

 

[89five.o]

Ok,
So everyone here is SO proud of a 113,000 car beating a 70,000 car.

That seems pretty retarded to me it SHOULD KILL the GTR.

Once again. Throw some cup tires onto the 'vette, which is pretty much what the GT-R has, and watch the distance between the two widen by a significant margin.

 

[CableGuy]

HAHAHAH
OK, once again not knowing all the details because it is on the internet.
Trying to enlighten a few people, but nevermind.

I would take either car in a heartbeat....
:buds:

Ahh here is it....

Pretty much if you drive the car hard, you can fix cough up that 20,000 to have the "Professional" fix your car.:thumbsup:

http://njection.com/blogs/exclusive...s-insane-with-new-rules-on-the-2010-gt-r.aspx

Advisory of MY2010 Specification Change
The MY2010 Nissan GT-R features enhanced programming that will optimize clutch-engagement control for improved drivability. The maximum RPM for initial start with VDC ON has been increased, providing increased power at launch with smooth and powerful acceleration which will be improved compared to the original specification MY2009 vehicles prior to implementation of this upgrade. Maximum RPM at launch with VDC OFF (which should only be used when stuck in snow or mud) has been decreased, and acceleration with VDC OFF will be moderated.
The GT-R will continue to offer supercar characteristics of exceptional handling, maneuvering, and overall driving experience. You are reminded to drive safely and obey all traffic laws. The GT-R Owner’s Manual expressly warns against driving with the VDC OFF (except to free the vehicle when stuck in mud or snow) to avoid damage. Repairs for damage caused by driving with VDC OFF are expressly excluded under the terms of the Nissan GT-R New Car Limited Warranty. To avoid risk for such repairs, you are reminded to drive with VDC ON at all times. Except when stuck, there is no reason to be driving with VDC OFF.

Since when did spinning the tires even faster when stuck in snow/mud help????? I'm lost.?

< Racing, competitive driving of any sort and/or any use on a track or airstrip, or otherwise not operating or maintaining the vehicle as set out in the Owner’s Manual and Service and Maintenance Guide;
< Operating the vehicle with the Vehicle Dynamic Control (VDC) off, except when rocking vehicle when stuck in mud or snow;
< Not adhering to the service and maintenance requirements set out in the Nissan GT-R Owner’s Manual and the Service and Maintenance Guide, including failures resulting from the use of non-Genuine Nissan Parts or required or recommended fluids;
< Improper repairs or services rendered at facilities other than Nissan Certified GT-R dealerships;
< Failing to have the Performance Optimization Services completed in a timely manner;
< Genuine Nissan Parts not intended for use on the GT-R, including NISMO parts not specifically designed and manufactured for application to the GT-R, or any non-Genuine Nissan Parts;
< Replacing a GT-R special specification part with a non-GT-R special specification part (see GT-R Owner’s Manual for the list of GT-R special specification parts);
< Operating the GT-R on a dynamometer, except a dynamometer test performed to comply with applicable local law for emissions testing.

Pretty much, if they think you "drive it too hard" your warranty is VOID! Yea!! , a 70K paper weight!


And this is where I got the 20 grand to fix it from:

"I was driving my GTR two weeks ago and I heard a loud noise coming from the rear. I turned immediately had my GTR towed to Crown Nissan St. Petersburg, Florida. They didn't touch my car only called some techs from Tennessee to look at the car and record the noise, four days later two guys [came] from Japan to download some info from the car then left. Then I get a call from the dealer to tell me the news, and they told me that the car was driven without VDC too much and Nissan will not warranty the transmission, which they said was destroyed."

Ouch. Even worse is the $20,000 bill he claims it would cost for a complete overhaul by Nissan certified GT-R master technicians. The resulting 16 pages of replies pose many questions, but not too many answers. Of course, already pointed out in the thread are the contents of the owner's manual and warranty information booklet. Both explicitly state what is and isn't covered. It's the warranty information booklet that best applies to Septskyline case and explains on page 30, under the "What is not covered" section:

http://wot.motortrend.com/6296554/a...ill-it-be-too-late-for-some-buyers/index.html

 

[AJ 87SC]

It does, at the drag strip.

Agreed, the GTR was never meant or designed to be a drag car though.
The ZR-1 RIPS compared to a GTR in a straight line, that I agree 100%. Can't beat that Supercharged LS BABY.

 

[AJ 87SC]

Once again. Throw some cup tires onto the 'vette, which is pretty much what the GT-R has, and watch the distance between the two widen by a significant margin.

I agre that will help, but not as much as it should. The Michelin PS's are really an amzing tire in there own right. And MUCH less noisy then the Dunops thats for sure. I would LOVE to see the time difference though.

 

[wikdsvt]

why don't they launch the GT-R from a stop?
1. it will void the warranty
2. It make destroy the trans
3. If it screwed up the trans, by the end of the lap the trans would be hurt.

Amazing car, but fragile trans.

As compared to the ZR1, the GT-R fails.

Comparing price doesn't matter at all. Buy a ZR1 drive the piss out of it. Or buy a GT-R drive the piss out of it, replace a $20,000.00 transmission... seems that the price is about on par.

 

[white out]

Did anybody see my post where the original batch of cars were reflashed so that the LC wouldn't destroy the driveline? All cars since will not kill themselfs with LC. The reflash makes the car .1 seconds slower to 60.

GTR is the best for the $$. It is so good that it is constantly compared to the ZR1. Not the Z06, which is in the GTR's same pricing category.

Tires on the GTR are the same that came on my STi from the factory. GM probably should have put some better non-runflat tires on the ZR1, Z06, Z51.

Bone stock C6s apparently cannot survive high-speed runs without killing themselfs and GM not backing up the warranty. As shown by a motown member. . .

I think the ZR1 & GTR are great cars. Personally I would buy a used Gallardo for the price of either one of them.

Nick

 

[robvas]

Yes, GM puts the shittiest tires on the Vettes.

 

[89five.o]

Yes, GM puts the shittiest tires on the Vettes.

The Michelin's on the ZR1 are very nice for an everyday tire. They have very nice grip and are good in the rain as well. Of course they're no slick but that's not what they're meant for.