PaxNovi 5.0
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The crack is the least of the problems. If that was the only fix, as was inferred to me by Brad, then there would be zero issue here.
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The crack is the least of the problems. If that was the only fix, as was inferred to me by Brad, then there would be zero issue here.
nitrouspete
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as far as pax is stating about cracks....were theses cracked found during magnaflux testing? were they visible by eye?
If MPI testing showed the cracks and they were not visible by eye, then brad dident even know, so why should his rep be hurt by it? you took the risk.
if they were visible by eye, why where they not found before the cash was exchanged?
If MPI testing showed the cracks and they were not visible by eye, then brad dident even know, so why should his rep be hurt by it? you took the risk.
if they were visible by eye, why where they not found before the cash was exchanged?
nitrouspete
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so what other issues? i saw you were talking about valve seals.
valve seals and guides are wearable part and should have been taken into consideration when buying.
EDIT-Brad never stated he was a expert on heads so you shouldent of taken his advice.
i dont think a judge would win in your favor just from what im hearing so far....but im no judge so dont take my advice. just sayen.
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That was my question.
Sorry I missed that.
oharaautomotive
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The Three shop Question:
When I purchased the heads they were not in Brian's possession they were at his engine builder's Dan Rawls (Cleveland Performance) getting a valve job and freshen up, which is what Brian told me. At the time Brian and Dan were a very reputable shop the deal was I paid Brian for them and contacted Dan to tell him I paid for them and to deal with me now on the heads. I got in contact with Dan and consulted with him on my combination and what my goals were to get out of it. According to Dan and Brian the heads were in perfect condition and ready to run so I had Dan build a custom cam for my combo and purchased cam,lifters, and intake through Dan and he shipped everything to me once they came in. When I received the heads I wanted to verify the flow on them and also have them checked because I did not want to have cracks etc and also verify that the springs were good for the cam specs because we all know valve float is not a good thing. So I took them to Greg's Cylinder heads near me and asked him to flow, check everything and even pressure test them; a little time later got a call said the heads were done flowed, springs checked, pressure tested and all looked good.
I then began to install the cam lifters etc. Clay-ed the piston to valve clearance to measure and make sure there was no interference. found that the Intake valves were kissing the piston on the radius edges and knew the piston valve relief needed to be fly cut. So I pulled the motor contacted a few shops and Holbrook is where I took it. I asked holbrook to flow the heads because i wanted to have different data on the heads for comparison and asked them to check the valves and heads for any problems because when I did the PTV clearance the valve kissed the piston a little. Got the phone call that everything checked out and the motor was ready so I went and picked it up put it in my car checked valve lash then fired it up been running ever since. Soo that's why 3 different shops have seen the heads and apparently the last one found something and didn't tell me. That's why I was upset when we found the epoxy in the port I had no knowledge of it and I do not like running anything with epoxy in the heads or intake and had I known there was a crack in them I would have had them fixed properly then when it was all apart, and not chance my whole motor over it. I'm also pissed that I paid these people good money to do what they did and yet there are still problems with the heads I'm out that money I put into them but I'm not going on line to bash everyone, I suck it up like a man learn my lesson and just not going to do business with all party's involved. I just don't get how some people have the balls to ask for their money back knowing there was a problem and possibly more and even stated that in our conversation.
The best thing I can say is I did everything I could to make sure I was getting a good product I did not want to chance thousands of dollars on someones word so I had them checked, i was told they were good and went with them.
When I purchased the heads they were not in Brian's possession they were at his engine builder's Dan Rawls (Cleveland Performance) getting a valve job and freshen up, which is what Brian told me. At the time Brian and Dan were a very reputable shop the deal was I paid Brian for them and contacted Dan to tell him I paid for them and to deal with me now on the heads. I got in contact with Dan and consulted with him on my combination and what my goals were to get out of it. According to Dan and Brian the heads were in perfect condition and ready to run so I had Dan build a custom cam for my combo and purchased cam,lifters, and intake through Dan and he shipped everything to me once they came in. When I received the heads I wanted to verify the flow on them and also have them checked because I did not want to have cracks etc and also verify that the springs were good for the cam specs because we all know valve float is not a good thing. So I took them to Greg's Cylinder heads near me and asked him to flow, check everything and even pressure test them; a little time later got a call said the heads were done flowed, springs checked, pressure tested and all looked good.
I then began to install the cam lifters etc. Clay-ed the piston to valve clearance to measure and make sure there was no interference. found that the Intake valves were kissing the piston on the radius edges and knew the piston valve relief needed to be fly cut. So I pulled the motor contacted a few shops and Holbrook is where I took it. I asked holbrook to flow the heads because i wanted to have different data on the heads for comparison and asked them to check the valves and heads for any problems because when I did the PTV clearance the valve kissed the piston a little. Got the phone call that everything checked out and the motor was ready so I went and picked it up put it in my car checked valve lash then fired it up been running ever since. Soo that's why 3 different shops have seen the heads and apparently the last one found something and didn't tell me. That's why I was upset when we found the epoxy in the port I had no knowledge of it and I do not like running anything with epoxy in the heads or intake and had I known there was a crack in them I would have had them fixed properly then when it was all apart, and not chance my whole motor over it. I'm also pissed that I paid these people good money to do what they did and yet there are still problems with the heads I'm out that money I put into them but I'm not going on line to bash everyone, I suck it up like a man learn my lesson and just not going to do business with all party's involved. I just don't get how some people have the balls to ask for their money back knowing there was a problem and possibly more and even stated that in our conversation.
The best thing I can say is I did everything I could to make sure I was getting a good product I did not want to chance thousands of dollars on someones word so I had them checked, i was told they were good and went with them.
oharaautomotive
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Also forgot to mention Brain Mitchell stated that he would have continued to run the heads however he lost his sponsorship with Edelbrock and got a new sponsor Brodix and they gave him a set of Track1x heads and $8000 to have them ported etc to his specs and that these were good to go he just didn't want to be sponsored by brodix running Edelbrock stuff conflict of interest. Apparently that must not have been the whole truth.
PaxNovi 5.0
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I spoke with Brian... We'll be getting to the bottom of this shortly...
PaxNovi 5.0
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When I just spoke with Brian he said he made it explicitly clear to the buyer when he sold the heads that their life as an 8 second head was over. He would only run them on a naturally aspirated engine, not his own.
DetroitStyle
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PaxNovi 5.0
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Brian also said his heads should've had titanium valves on both the intake and exhaust, not inconel on the exhaust. So someone must've changed them along the way if they are his old heads. When I get the heads back from Ron, he's going to have me send him pictures to verify that they are his heads.
Anthony
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Mental note:
Don't buy or sell with ohara or npete. Neither will do the right thing.
If I sold someone anything and they found it was fucked in some unseen way. ..... Come back and get your money, I'm sorry. And I don't even own a fucking business! I guess it's I'm my upbringing and my circle of friends, we all walk alike
Anthony
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Ouch! That's a common trend in heads up heads, they take a fucking beating, welded on in the middle of the night by whom ever has a tig handy. Paper thin walls to get the numbers. When I went to all the races, used heads were usually listed as Street NA heads as their days of heat and pressure were long gone.
There is also zero reason to be afraid of epoxy, especially if installed correctly and I'm positive Holbrook knows how to use epoxy as I had a set of the original Edelbrock Glidden victors done by them, when no intake was available. They made it work. Push rod holes be Damned!
oharaautomotive
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Not sure exactly what this means did not know when you buy heads from edelbrock or Trickflow there is a elapsed time limit on heads. I would think either they are good or not there really is no in between with parts.
LTLHOMER
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Second opinion for a cancer diagnosis maybe.
I always find it best to offer someone's money back no matter what (and I've done this at least a few times even if nothing was wrong but they just changed their minds). It's not worth it to not give their money back if you plan to buy and sell stuff in the future. If it was a fair deal, you'll find someone else willing to pay about the same price. If it wasn't, then you shouldn't have made the deal in the first place. You can't put a value on a good reputation. When someone I know (or trust from their other dealings) is selling something, I will pay more simply because there's less risk in my mind of something going wrong. And if it does, I know they'll make it right.
So in the long run, being a standup guy even if that might not seem "fair" in an individual case will actually get you more money for your stuff and save you time.
oharaautomotive
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I guarantee these are Brian's old heads don't know how pics will prove it unless he has them etched somewhere that he knows. And these heads were only touched by the shops mentioned. They have been on my motor for over 3 years now in running condition.
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05cesrt
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*Term used very losely here.
raroz28
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Exactly. Not even worth arguing with somebody who thinks he's justified that he sold garbage simply because the person looked at it.
