American Axle strike....
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Captain Chaos
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4v Shane
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Im gonna get flamed from this post but honestly do I care???
What I have noticed from Union workers well basically is 90 % of them are absolute lazy asses and if something doesnt jive with them even the smallest shit they cop a attitude or start a huge up roar over simple petty shit. Man up do your job and get your paycheck and GTFO. Are union is a crock of shit and makes me sick the way some of the union workers act. :shake:
What I have noticed from Union workers well basically is 90 % of them are absolute lazy asses and if something doesnt jive with them even the smallest shit they cop a attitude or start a huge up roar over simple petty shit. Man up do your job and get your paycheck and GTFO. Are union is a crock of shit and makes me sick the way some of the union workers act. :shake:
fogged10
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i'm union and i have to tell ya there's nothing lazy about my job! we do have slow day's which every union and non-union place does but for most of the time all you will see on my crew is asses and elbows! cause were ball's deep in the mud fixing gas main's!:banghead:
local 473 utility worker's of america :gr_patrio
TRIPLEWHITE03GT
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Take a look around you and see what's going on in MI (and starting to hit other states) right now!
Sorry for the slams to you guys, been having a bad week.
I didn't come here to make friends. If i do so along the way fine, (which I have on other sites) if not oh well.
If you go to the i-net just to make friends, you got F-in issues!
I can see why Al hates you!
Way diff. this time Raj. A lot has changed since 01. Plenty of stuff online that shows the bad about right to work states.
I go to work everyday, and do my job and what my boss tells me to do. I don't drink on the job (or much at all) or do drugs. I also deal with management on a daily basis. You wouldn't believe what a joke that is sometimes. There are times when me alone taking a trip to chuckie cheese w/my sons 1st grade class would be easier than trying to talk about common sense issues w/ management and engineers at work. But what do i know, I;m just a lazy ass that sits around and reads the paper and smoke cigs. and drinks coffee all day.
2k3sgm
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I do have to say Unions did serve their purpose at a time. These days there are so many employee rights and laws that Unions don't really serve the purpose they were for, protect the employee.
I'm fully in agreement that I wouldn't be too pleased if my employer came to me and said we're cutting your salary in half so we can stay afloat. But the writing is on the wall, if your competitors are half or one third the cost... you can make a lot for a short time or a little less for a long time. I just can't see where sitting on a line waiting for an engine block to come by so you can shove some push rods in is worth $28/hour! Yes, there are many skilled jobs that should be paid as such, but not all of them. Just because you've been able to skip around under the radar for a crap load of years doesn't mean you should be paid at the top of the scale. You should be paid based on what you contribute and your merits as an employee.
I'm fully in agreement that I wouldn't be too pleased if my employer came to me and said we're cutting your salary in half so we can stay afloat. But the writing is on the wall, if your competitors are half or one third the cost... you can make a lot for a short time or a little less for a long time. I just can't see where sitting on a line waiting for an engine block to come by so you can shove some push rods in is worth $28/hour! Yes, there are many skilled jobs that should be paid as such, but not all of them. Just because you've been able to skip around under the radar for a crap load of years doesn't mean you should be paid at the top of the scale. You should be paid based on what you contribute and your merits as an employee.
Fryguy302
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I hear you on that, and I don't think all union guys are lazy at all. I've also heard a LOT of crazy stories about lack of common sense when it comes to big 3 management and engineering. I have a few friends in the industry.
There's a lot that has to change, I agree.
orangejuiced86
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I've worked on both sides and I can say that its pretty equal IMO.
2k3sgm
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He's not really saying you have a lazy job. But we all know someone in our work force who just doesn't carry their weight. These are the people the Union strives on. The people who come to work and do their job and go the extra mile don't need a Union. The Union in my work place has never done a damn thing for the guys who do their job, but the fuck ups, boy that Union is right there getting their jobs back. Just so the real workers can carry his dumb ass for a while longer.
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TRIPLEWHITE03GT
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:cheers: I work in heat treat with hot iron all day.
bold-I worked at a Visteon plant for 5 years NUFF SAID!
Change need to happen, but it has to start in Washington D.C. 1st. Unfortunately it looks like we're gonna get shafted for another 4 years!
Again, sorry to ALL for coming off all hot under the collar. Been a bad week for me.
fogged10
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you guy's would love the engineers and management at my work! about half of them are smart and the other have came from e.o.e.! lol
and let me tell you guys they make a lot more money then us union guys!
i love it when a engineer will ask us how to do a certain job! what? he is making more then dbl what us union guys are making! lmfao
and in the uaw defense it's not just the uaw guys it is the blue collar guys as well! if they are going to make cuts and shit they need to sart at the top and work there way down! just my .02!
everyone trys to blame the union guy when there is a lot of non-union guys that are lasy and drink and all the other bullshit while at work!
TRIPLEWHITE03GT
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I had an easy solution to all the downsizing of the auto industry, but the union didn't like it.
Random Drug and alcohol testing.
I can honestly sit here and type that I would have 0 trouble passing either.
There are plenty on here that know me and know that is a true statement too!
Random Drug and alcohol testing.
I can honestly sit here and type that I would have 0 trouble passing either.
There are plenty on here that know me and know that is a true statement too!
dave89iroc
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good idea, that would probably cut the 50% salary they what to cut
black_bullit
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:jawdrop2: Very nice.
WhiteHawk
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Actually, Delphi and Dana guys did get a 50% cut. AA is trying to do a buyout program where they give a guy $80,000 then he gets the lower rate. So if someone is overextended, then they got $80,000 to get even before the pay cut. The only issue is how much the buyout is going to be. Gettlefinger is looking for $120,000 like GM and Ford are giving, AA is offering half that.
-Geoff
4 cam tbird
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From what I have seen working on the floor of a Union plant I wouldn't say 90% of the people started out being lazy. The problem is, you get one lazy person in a group, with the structure of a union the rest of the people that work hard have no chance in earning a higher pay than that lazy guy that is fucking around, taking long breaks, etc. So the hard workers see that the lazy guy is getting by fucking off so they start acting like him because he gets away with it and keeps getting paid what they get paid so they might as well slack a little too. The next thing you know any changes made to increase efficiency aren't nearly as effective as they should be. Production is slower than it should be so the company is losing money based on the fact that they can't turn out as much product as they could be due to people fucking around. A whole culture is created that adversely effects everything. To top it all off if someone in management tried to do a little something here of there to pick up the slack from the guy that is fucking around, a grievance gets filed and someone on another shift that doesn't need to be there because there isn't too much work, someone is just fucking around, gets paid overtime even though they weren't at work and there was no need for them to be there.
86CamaroZ28
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thats the way i see it. you've got "unions" then there is the "UAW". to totally different things.
TRIPLEWHITE03GT
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Would've saved them a TON of money. Wouldn't have had to offer buyouts and pay pensions if they fired all the pot heads and drunks. Don't see as many drinkers as much as you do dope smokers. As far as im concerned, you had to piss in a cup to get hired, why shouldn't you have to do the same to keep your job? I don't have a problem with it. I'd piss in a cup everyday to get in the plant.
:lmao: Dude, where ever you're getting your info from, you either need to read slower or pay more attention when you read. #1 Ford is no longer offering buyouts, and #2 not EVERYONE was eligable for the max of $140,000 for walking away.That's 140k with nothing else. No benefits, no nothing. You had to have a certain amount of years of service w/the company (like 25+ and be atleast 55) to even qualify for that. The most Ford ever offered to it's workers to retire w/benefits and their pensions was $50,000 to non-trade workers and $70,000 to skilled workers and again you had to be eligable to retire. The most you could get for walking away and not being old enough to retire was 100k. That severed you ties with the company completely. Ford has not yet offered any buydowns to get a bonus and keep your job at a lower 2 tier rate. Don't think they will either. I'm 99% sure that GM workers were offerd the same, and had to qualify by years of service just like at Ford.
Oh, and like I said before in case you missed it, Visteon DOESN'T make axles.
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If you're walking around the shop that I work at and it's not lunch or break time, you'd better have a good reason for doing so, otherwise you're gonna get written up for being awol off the job. And if your production #'s aren't up to par when the boss/coordinator comes and checks them, you'd better have a good explanation why. You leave early, or take longer breaks or lunch that you're suppose to, your supervisor is just as fucked as you are. They're watching and holding people accountable for their actions.
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