What to do about an A-Hole Neighbor

[igotaneed4speed]

*buzzer* Wrong answer Jonny...

If it had it in a holster outside the waist fully exposed(CPL or not)... Then no one really can do nothing... I don't agree though having it around with kids when they are not your kids...

That statement is so wrong. Open carry is legal. But when he started fussing with the holster, or un clipping it... that is walking a fine line.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]MCL 750.227 allows you to carry a concealed pistol if you are in your home, place of business, or on other land possessed by you. If you do not possess the land, you may lawfully carry the pistol as long as you carry it non-concealed. Michigan appellate courts have held complete invisibility is not required for the weapon to be considered concealed. The weapon is concealed if it is not observed by those casually observing the person as people do in the ordinary and usual associations of life. Attorney General's opinion #3158 dated February 14, 1945, states a pistol carried in a holster or belt outside of the clothing in plain view is not considered concealed, but carrying under a coat would constitute concealed.[/FONT]
Additionally, the Natural Resources and Environmental Protection Act prohibits against carrying or transporting a firearm in areas frequented by wild animals and the Michigan Department of Natural Resources has rules and regulations regarding where firearms are prohibited on certain land. Contact the Michigan Department of Natural Resources with any questions you may have regarding these laws, rules, and regulations





I stand corrected. That's from MI carry laws site, so legally he can.

 

[Justindwright]

Start dressing like "Yosemite Sam" and walking around when he's out. See if he likes that.

I like this idea best.

 

[Lunger]

*buzzer* Wrong answer Jonny...

If it had it in a holster outside the waist fully exposed(CPL or not)... Then no one really can do nothing... I don't agree though having it around with kids when they are not your kids...

WTF i brought up this a long time ago with detroitstyle and said these exact words and no one backed me up.

 

[Dr. Teeth]

I like this idea best.

All ya need is a couple S&W Model 29's and you too can act like "Dirty Harry."

This way you say: "I'll see your open carry and raise you 2 .44 Magnums." If that doesn't work I'll rent ya my 1919A4 for the day. We can put it out on the picnic table in your backyard and point it at his house while we fondle it. If that doesn't work I have other, more intimidating things.

 

[Quick86]

Motown Gun Owners Party @ his house?

 

[OnyxSSS]

Obama Yard signs...in his yard

 

[ItsAllAboutTheT&A]

Next time he comes out of his house, you should casually walk out of your house with some dead animal (like a raccoon or deer) and don't even acknowledge your neighbor. Pull out an axe and start violently hacking it up making a huge mess. Then rub some of the blood on your face and chest (Oh yeah, I forgot to say, make sure your in your underwear). Make grunting noises and maybe some evil laughing. Drink some of the blood by holding the animal over your head and squeezing it into your mouth. Keep doing stuff like this every time you see him. He'll eventually leave you alone if you convince him your super crazy. Its would take some serious effort, but it could be kind of fun.

 

[DRAG-ULA]

Next time he comes out of his house, you should casually walk out of your house with some dead animal (like a raccoon or deer) and don't even acknowledge your neighbor. Pull out an axe and start violently hacking it up making a huge mess. Then rub some of the blood on your face and chest (Oh yeah, I forgot to say, make sure your in your underwear). Make grunting noises and maybe some evil laughing. Drink some of the blood by holding the animal over your head and squeezing it into your mouth. Keep doing stuff like this every time you see him. He'll eventually leave you alone if you convince him your super crazy. Its would take some serious effort, but it could be kind of fun.

Winner winner chicken dinner!!!

 

[WhiteHawk]

What this guy did does not fall under the dictionary definition of brandish, or brandishing. But I do believe if you call the police and let them know that when he was walking toward you discussing a dispute, he did un button the holster strap while walking toward you, they will give him some grief. But it does not sound like he was actually brandishing the weapon.

If you use it in a threatening manner, then you are done. He didn't wave it around and point it, but to hint that it was coming out is somewhere between pulling it and nothing. Luckily, as youtube has proven repeatedly, cops love going after people like that.

-Geoff

 

[Justindwright]

If you use it in a threatening manner, then you are done. He didn't wave it around and point it, but to hint that it was coming out is somewhere between pulling it and nothing. Luckily, as youtube has proven repeatedly, cops love going after people like that.

-Geoff

I agree with you that unsnapping the holster was a bit much, and he would probably get some grief from the LEO if they were called. (I would feel super uncomfortable in this situation) But for people to automatically say he was brandishing, is a bit of a stretch.

 

[Scooter70]

I agree with you that unsnapping the holster was a bit much, and he would probably get some grief from the LEO if they were called. (I would feel super uncomfortable in this situation) But for people to automatically say he was brandishing, is a bit of a stretch.

Definition of BRANDISH

transitive verb
1: to shake or wave (as a weapon) menacingly
2: to exhibit in an ostentatious or aggressive manner

Unsnapping the holster meets my interpretation of #2. If it was done in a manner as to intimidate, it's brandishing. Obviously it made glh_turbo uncomfortable and this was probably the guy's intent.

 

[ricefed]

Next time he comes out of his house, you should casually walk out of your house with some dead animal (like a raccoon or deer) and don't even acknowledge your neighbor. Pull out an axe and start violently hacking it up making a huge mess. Then rub some of the blood on your face and chest (Oh yeah, I forgot to say, make sure your in your underwear). Make grunting noises and maybe some evil laughing. Drink some of the blood by holding the animal over your head and squeezing it into your mouth. Keep doing stuff like this every time you see him. He'll eventually leave you alone if you convince him your super crazy. Its would take some serious effort, but it could be kind of fun.

Lmao

 

[Nokooler]

Unsnapping the holster meets my interpretation of #2. If it was done in a manner as to intimidate, it's brandishing. Obviously it made glh_turbo uncomfortable and this was probably the guy's intent.

Agreed, have a camera phone?? I do not know anything about carrying, but unsnapping a holster while you are walking up to him isn't right. If he would have done that with an officer around, what would have happened?? Your suppose to treat every gun like it is loaded, and unsnapping your holster, on purpose, in public allows you and somebody else better access to a firearm.

 

[2001-WS6]

See the official attorney general's opionion written by Jenny G back in 2002.
http://www.ag.state.mi.us/opinion/datafiles/2000s/op10176.htm

She cites a Federal case that defines brandishing for open carry useage:

"For example, in United States v Moerman, 233 F3d 379, 380 (CA 6, 2000), the court recognized that in federal sentencing guidelines, "brandishing" a weapon is defined to mean "that the weapon was pointed or waved about, or displayed in a threatening manner.""

Displayed in a "threatening manner" is enough for law enforcement to take the matter into their own judgement and you can beg for your firearm back later. The officer is always right on scene even when proven wrong later in court. Chances are this hot head has a long time interaction with local law enforcement and they are just waiting for a reason to take it away from him.

Rick

 

[MarkVIII93]

You have very good restraint my friend...

 

[347convert]

Buy a huge pile of shit 94 f250 4 door duely, paint it neon pink... plate and ins it.. park it in front of his ouse since its a public street.

 

[mrvids]

Buy a huge pile of shit 94 f250 4 door duely, paint it neon pink... plate and ins it.. park it in front of his ouse since its a public street.

Can you fill it with fresh manure first? Better yet, fill it with manure and cover it with a tarp to keep the heat in but let the smell out.

 

[OldbutNew]

All ya need is a couple S&W Model 29's and you too can act like "Dirty Harry."

This way you say: "I'll see your open carry and raise you 2 .44 Magnums." If that doesn't work I'll rent ya my 1919A4 for the day. We can put it out on the picnic table in your backyard and point it at his house while we fondle it. If that doesn't work I have other, more intimidating things.

You Sir, are a guy I can get along with.

I would go with the wife calling in a "brandishing a weapon" call to L.E. Unsnapping and reaching for it would be plenty. Next time he's out and carrying, have your wife film from the house as you approach, THEN call it in...

 

[DRAG-ULA]

Buy a huge pile of shit 94 f250 4 door duely, paint it neon pink... plate and ins it.. park it in front of his ouse since its a public street.

One of my friends was dealing with a douchebag neighbor a while back and did something like this. He restores cars, and if he had one that wasn't plated sitting out the guy called the cops. So, my buddy fills the back of his truck with junk parts, (like mounded over the top) puts a junk parts car on his open car hauler, and left the rig parked in front of this dude's house for 2 weeks. I have a picture somewhere. Apparently it's legal to have a car on a trailer with no tags, as long as the tow vehicle and trailer have tags. His neighbor finally caved, and they came to a truce.

 

[DRAG-ULA]

I'm sorry I don't have anything constructive to add here. I'll stop posting. I will say this: usually when you get in a pissing match with a neighbor no one wins. This guy sounds nuts, it might be a long road.

Next time he's out and carrying, have your wife film from the house as you approach, THEN call it in...

This sounds like the best idea to me, if it's do-able.