Steve Lisk Hemi Challenger

[SuddenDeath]

:gr_jest: So much emotion... Take a deep breath. We like the same things. Don't take it so personally that i said these cars weren't as fast as the folklore stories make them out to be. Its my opinion that seems to be substantiated by the facts, not hear-say stories. Your car is apparently a nice piece of Detroit history. Best of luck to you as you restore it and enjoy it!

ps. 505 with twins, huh? So much for running in the 9s all motor and no nitrous!

IF what you say is true, then why the continued negative comments and poking me with a sharp stick? Ah, yeah, the car supposedly ran 9's BEFORE the turbos, so yes, all motor and no NOS. I suppose we'll never know how fast it might have been with the turbos. If you had read the entire thread, you'd see my question as to if the car was ever run successfully with the turbos hoping someone might remember? I'm betting they were a PITA with a carb and no boost control. I'm sure it didn't have any consistency with them. Maybe even led to Joe's reason for selling it off? I'm removing them anyway as part of the restoration to get it back to as it appeared in the 1977 HRM article. There were no aftermarket heads available, no motorsport blocks, no stroker kits, not much of anything available back then for these motors. Thats all different now, so maybe some improvements can be made and still be able to keep it looking as it did underhood. At least thats my plan.

 

[dpmcghee]

IF what you say is true, then why the continued negative comments and poking me with a sharp stick? Ah, yeah, the car supposedly ran 9's BEFORE the turbos, so yes, all motor and no NOS. I suppose we'll never know how fast it might have been with the turbos. If you had read the entire thread, you'd see my question as to if the car was ever run successfully with the turbos hoping someone might remember? I'm betting they were a PITA with a carb and no boost control. I'm sure it didn't have any consistency with them. Maybe even led to Joe's reason for selling it off? I'm removing them anyway as part of the restoration to get it back to as it appeared in the 1977 HRM article. There were no aftermarket heads available, no motorsport blocks, no stroker kits, not much of anything available back then for these motors. Thats all different now, so maybe some improvements can be made and still be able to keep it looking as it did underhood. At least thats my plan.

I'm poking you 'cause its fun and you keep responding:w00t: Good luck and I wish you the best with it!

ps. my car supposedly ran 9s too... all motor. But nobody will ever know for sure. But at least its my story and that's how I'm telling it! 20 years from now it will have run in the 8s...lol

 

[SuddenDeath]

I'm poking you 'cause its fun and you keep responding:w00t: Good luck and I wish you the best with it!

ps. my car supposedly ran 9s too... all motor. But nobody will ever know for sure. But at least its my story and that's how I'm telling it! 20 years from now it will have run in the 8s...lol

My only intent in registering on this forum was to possibly gain some insight or history on this car that might help in it's restoration and to maybe share with some of those who remember the car that it is being saved. Possibly that was a mistake. Good luck.

 

[dpmcghee]

Possibly that was a mistake.

Only if you can't take a little ribbing and somebody having a different opinion than you.

On the other hand, perhaps someone from that era will hear about your restoration and offer you some helpful insight into your project. Best of luck to you too.

 

[svopro]

:gr_jest: So much emotion... Take a deep breath. We like the same things. Don't take it so personally that i said these cars weren't as fast as the folklore stories make them out to be. Its my opinion that seems to be substantiated by the facts, not hear-say stories. Your car is apparently a nice piece of Detroit history. Best of luck to you as you restore it and enjoy it!

ps. 505 with twins, huh? So much for running in the 9s all motor and no nitrous!

It ran 9's with out the turbo's I know this for FACT !!!

 

[cjmatt]

It ran 9's with out the turbo's I know this for FACT !!!

x2. Im good family friends with the Rugirellos and talked with them about the car at christmas. It was running high 9's on the Roush 505" and C6.

Its also one of Hot Rod Magazines 100 most significant hot rods off all time...I dont think the Preacher Dan Hatchback is on that list though

 

[cjmatt]

I'm poking you 'cause its fun and you keep responding:w00t: Good luck and I wish you the best with it!

ps. my car supposedly ran 9s too... all motor. But nobody will ever know for sure. But at least its my story and that's how I'm telling it! 20 years from now it will have run in the 8s...lol

Thats how technology works though, Im sure in 15 years, all of our cars will be equally less impressive...In 2050, Im sure theres gonna be another internet site and some guy is gonna give a bunch of other people shit about how there twin turbo hatch only runs 8s on gasoline...considering all the cars in 2050 will be running 5s in the 1/4 off electricity alone. And Im sure when Rugirellow built that Mustang II, he was talking shit to all the old timers telling them their sweet old 32 roadsters were gay and only ran 13s, and when all those old timers were younger building their cars im sure they made fun of all the other people in town because their modded up model t's only ran 20s in the 1/4

Hell, When I had just graduated high school and Francis had first got that Trans Am, we would hear rumors down in Mt. Clemens that he was running 11s and nobody believed it cuz it was too fast lol

 

[dpmcghee]

x2. Im good family friends with the Rugirellos and talked with them about the car at christmas. It was running high 9's on the Roush 505" and C6.

Its also one of Hot Rod Magazines 100 most significant hot rods off all time...I dont think the Preacher Dan Hatchback is on that list though

I never claimed my car to be on any list except the slowest on Motown... How's that?

Furthermore, I never said anything about his car specifically until he jumped on me for having the audacity to say that a lot of the old time cars just weren't as fast as the folklore plays them out to be. I stand by that statement. Go look at the magazines from that era and read the 1/4 mile times so many of those cars ran.... Then go compare those to the stories you hear about so many of these exact same cars as if they were the fastest things on earth ever.

My comments were observations based on conversations I've had with lots of people over the years about the older musclecars of yesteryear. Were there exceptions? Of course. Could some of the cars discussed in this thread be a part of those exceptions? It sure seems like it. But my overall observation isn't changed.

 

[Foolsgold80z]

Dan don't delude yourself. There were many cars running n/a into the 9's in
the 70's. I gave an example earlier in the thread. I KNOW that car ran on the
9.80 index in Pro Gas. The only question is whether guys would bring them out
on Friday or Saturday night to the local cruise spot.
The main difference was that the fast cars were mostly high compression big blocks with the manners of a pissed off badger.

 

[pietell90]

these threads are awesome, makes me wish i wasnt 19 lol.. ive heard so many cool stories from my dad from the late 70s of tele and joy.

does anybody remember a 427FE t bucket from around then? would have been painted candy apple red at the time?

 

[Hotrodhawk]

The T-bucket I remember from back then was Joe Williamson or Williams.
Ran a stroked Ford in-line 6 cylinder with a custom cylinder head.
He used one specific cylinder's section cut out of six 351 cylinder heads, these six donors were surgically put together in-line.
He ran mid 8's!

 

[JoeliusZ28]

The T-bucket I remember from back then was Joe Williamson or Williams.
Ran a stroked Ford in-line 6 cylinder with a custom cylinder head.
He used one specific cylinder's section cut out of six 351 cylinder heads, these six donors were surgically put together in-line.
He ran mid 8's!

thats awesome!

 

[pietell90]

The T-bucket I remember from back then was Joe Williamson or Williams.
Ran a stroked Ford in-line 6 cylinder with a custom cylinder head.
He used one specific cylinder's section cut out of six 351 cylinder heads, these six donors were surgically put together in-line.
He ran mid 8's!

i never heard about that one but i have heard about those straight 6's flyin.. the owner at the time was named bo thomas also had a green camaro themed devils advocate and a star wars van

 

[svopro]

The T-bucket I remember from back then was Joe Williamson or Williams.
Ran a stroked Ford in-line 6 cylinder with a custom cylinder head.
He used one specific cylinder's section cut out of six 351 cylinder heads, these six donors were surgically put together in-line.
He ran mid 8's!

Mark Foutio ran a Pinto in I/Gas Ex Bob Glidden Car with a Clevland Headed Straight 6 with 6 Webbers

 

[dpmcghee]

Dan don't delude yourself. There were many cars running n/a into the 9's in
the 70's. I gave an example earlier in the thread. I KNOW that car ran on the
9.80 index in Pro Gas. The only question is whether guys would bring them out
on Friday or Saturday night to the local cruise spot.
The main difference was that the fast cars were mostly high compression big blocks with the manners of a pissed off badger.

It is quite possible I'm deluded:gr_jest:

Anyway, at this point I just want to say I'm sorry for gunking up this thread with all this stuff. As I've thought about it, this probably wasn't the thread for me to express this opinion. Maybe I'll start another thread about this subject at another time and then I can argue with all of you about this opinion of mine... Should be lots of fun:w00t:

 

[Billydroveit]

IF what you say is true, then why the continued negative comments and poking me with a sharp stick? Ah, yeah, the car supposedly ran 9's BEFORE the turbos, so yes, all motor and no NOS. I suppose we'll never know how fast it might have been with the turbos. If you had read the entire thread, you'd see my question as to if the car was ever run successfully with the turbos hoping someone might remember? I'm betting they were a PITA with a carb and no boost control. I'm sure it didn't have any consistency with them. Maybe even led to Joe's reason for selling it off? I'm removing them anyway as part of the restoration to get it back to as it appeared in the 1977 HRM article. There were no aftermarket heads available, no motorsport blocks, no stroker kits, not much of anything available back then for these motors. Thats all different now, so maybe some improvements can be made and still be able to keep it looking as it did underhood. At least thats my plan.

PLease take all with a grain of salt, you can't please everyone all of the time.

Please share the befor and after pictures of this build. Some of us would LOVE to see them.

In ten years i hope i see a thread about "where is Sinelli brothers, Moran, Gene Smith, Eric Coleman, Rolly Creech....I'm 35 now, and these are th guys that i knew of in my late teens and early 20's Matter of fact I will probly be trying to hunt down one or two of the cars from that era in a few years.

 

[dpmcghee]

PLease take all with a grain of salt, you can't please everyone all of the time. Please share the befor and after pictures of this build. Some of us would LOVE to see them.

Don't make my comments into something that they are not, ok? As if I wouldn't enjoy seeing him succeed in this restoration project. Don't get it twisted, which is what you're trying to do here. I would enjoy him completing a project like this as much as anyone on this board.

 

[Billydroveit]

Don't make my comments into something that they are not, ok? As if I wouldn't enjoy seeing him succeed in this restoration project. Don't get it twisted, which is what you're trying to do here. I would enjoy him completing a project like this as much as anyone on this board.

SOrry my intention wasn't to try and twist anything. He stated it was his first forum sign up and internet posting. Just making a statement in general about message boards. I guess my quoting should have not been there, but i quoted instead of just replying. Sorry.

I have alot of the same views you do about listening to the old guys and their tales ot terror! I enjoy listening to them and walk away thinking "uh sure"!

I have seen, and read articles on these cars! and thrive on them! Discovery channel and Speed channel need to get all these guys togethor and have a round table with them...how cool would that be!

 

[hangemhigh]

again, i loved seeing the challenger turn up. it was the "holy grail" to us mopar guys back then. i'm of the opinion that a dick landy prepped hemi, with dominators, a lenco, and 14x32's would be capable of running the 9:70-80's that were mentioned in the article. the only part i doubted was the "30 miles a day of commuting to work", or something along those lines. hell, our '65 max wedge car ran 10:70's all day long, plus saw a bit of limited street duty. i'm guessing the big hemi pumped out way more ponies that our wedge did.

that being said, thanks for bringing a smile to this old drag racers face. if ya' weren't around then, it's a little tough to fully appreciate the wave of nostalgia these cars bring to the table.

props to you all..........

 

[cammer427]

Don't make my comments into something that they are not, ok? As if I wouldn't enjoy seeing him succeed in this restoration project. Don't get it twisted, which is what you're trying to do here. I would enjoy him completing a project like this as much as anyone on this board.

Easy, horsey. There's no need to get our emotions running. After all, you're the cool-headed one of us all who see's all bull-s*** for what it really is. Without your skepticism, we'd all be living in a fantasy world where only modern vehicles are capable of knocking off 10 second, naturally aspirated times. Thanks for opening our eyes, hero. ":gr_jest:"