Do Not Deal With Brad O'Hara/oharaautomotive

[nitrouspete]

you guys keep saying he riped him off and this and that.......so what about when brad said sorry for wasting ur time, you dont need to buy them, no big deal?

brad made the attempt to back out of the entire deal right there. Pax still insisted on buying them at a negotiated lower price.

does this count for anything to you guys?

i guess the way i've been looking at it is when Brad backed out and Pax came back with a different number to still buy them, i've been assuming he accepted all risks at that time.

Again, dont jump on me, im picking everyone's thoughts more like a discussion and less like a your wrong/hes right point of view.

 

[PaxNovi 5.0]

you guys keep saying he riped him off and this and that.......so what about when brad said sorry for wasting ur time, you dont need to buy them, no big deal?

brad made the attempt to back out of the entire deal right there. Pax still insisted on buying them at a negotiated lower price.

does this count for anything to you guys?

i guess the way i've been looking at it is when Brad backed out and Pax came back with a different number to still buy them, i've been assuming he accepted all risks at that time.

Again, dont jump on me, im picking everyone's thoughts more like a discussion and less like a your wrong/hes right point of view.

I won't jump on ya, everyone's allowed their opinion!

 

[MarkVIII93]

you guys keep saying he riped him off and this and that.......so what about when brad said sorry for wasting ur time, you dont need to buy them, no big deal?

brad made the attempt to back out of the entire deal right there. Pax still insisted on buying them at a negotiated lower price.

does this count for anything to you guys?

i guess the way i've been looking at it is when Brad backed out and Pax came back with a different number to still buy them, i've been assuming he accepted all risks at that time.

Again, dont jump on me, im picking everyone's thoughts more like a discussion and less like a your wrong/hes right point of view.

Welcome to America. Where you're not allowed to have an opinion. If it's different than mine, you're an asshole. Lol


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[Quick86]

you guys keep saying he riped him off and this and that.......so what about when brad said sorry for wasting ur time, you dont need to buy them, no big deal?

brad made the attempt to back out of the entire deal right there. Pax still insisted on buying them at a negotiated lower price.

does this count for anything to you guys?

i guess the way i've been looking at it is when Brad backed out and Pax came back with a different number to still buy them, i've been assuming he accepted all risks at that time.

Again, dont jump on me, im picking everyone's thoughts more like a discussion and less like a your wrong/hes right point of view.

lets turn the tables around.

I'll play the role of the devil.

I have a piece of shit I am trying to unload. You find one of its flaws. I try to save face "Ohhh man, yeah, don't worry about it, you don't have to buy them, I had no idea............" *pause* "But I guess if you did I would knock the price down some. I don't know how they could have missed that, but these heads are in otherwise great shape...."

If you are knowingly selling junk, you WILL still try to move it.

If I were the seller and had *just* had these heads to THREE shops who ALL said they were flawless, I would have CANCELED the sale and HEADS would be rolling at all 3 shops that told me the heads were great. I would be getting my money back on all testing and inspections. Because OBVIOUSLY if a piece of epoxy can be flicked off with ones finger nail it obviously isn't that great of a repair and is obviously PRETTY obvious when the valves were out.

I would have then told the buyer that if I get them fixed I will call him and sorry for wasting his time.


I'm convinced the seller KNEW these heads were shit. And that is why he had no problem dropping the price on them. Otherwise he should be FURIOUS that 3 different shops fucked him over by telling him they were good when in fact they are scrap. Instead his attitude is "Well, you bought em, you didn't have too. Seeya!"

 

[LT1Pat]

Pax negotiated a lower priced based on the flaws that he understood, no big deal.

What you don't seem to understand is that the seller knew there were much more serious issues and he was morally and legally obligated to disclose them if he knew about them. Too many people are used to this immoral craigslist mentality and it has no place at a car club. If the seller did not know about the additional issues then it's no longer a legal matter but then it becomes a moral one (he should refund the money). If it was truly a fair deal then the seller will have no problem reselling the heads to someone else... It's that simple!

you guys keep saying he riped him off and this and that.......so what about when brad said sorry for wasting ur time, you dont need to buy them, no big deal?

brad made the attempt to back out of the entire deal right there. Pax still insisted on buying them at a negotiated lower price.

does this count for anything to you guys?

i guess the way i've been looking at it is when Brad backed out and Pax came back with a different number to still buy them, i've been assuming he accepted all risks at that time.

Again, dont jump on me, im picking everyone's thoughts more like a discussion and less like a your wrong/hes right point of view.

 

[raroz28]

Pax negotiated a lower priced based on the flaws that he understood, no big deal.

What you don't seem to understand is that the seller knew there were much more serious issues and he was morally and legally obligated to disclose them if he knew about them. Too many people are used to this immoral craigslist mentality and it has no place at a car club. If the seller did not know about the additional issues then it's no longer a legal matter but then it becomes a moral one (he should refund the money). If it was truly a fair deal then the seller will have no problem reselling the heads to someone else... It's that simple!

Well said. There is a principle that Pete just doesn't get. I don't think he's going to either if he hasn't already.

 

[Anthony]

Pax negotiated a lower priced based on the flaws that he understood, no big deal.

What you don't seem to understand is that the seller knew there were much more serious issues and he was morally and legally obligated to disclose them if he knew about them. Too many people are used to this immoral craigslist mentality and it has no place at a car club. If the seller did not know about the additional issues then it's no longer a legal matter but then it becomes a moral one (he should refund the money). If it was truly a fair deal then the seller will have no problem reselling the heads to someone else... It's that simple!

Thank you Pat!

Let's make this simple.

If you don't agree with this post, leave motown muscle and don't fucking come back.

 

[ReiKo]

you guys keep saying he riped him off and this and that.......so what about when brad said sorry for wasting ur time, you dont need to buy them, no big deal?

brad made the attempt to back out of the entire deal right there. Pax still insisted on buying them at a negotiated lower price.

does this count for anything to you guys?

i guess the way i've been looking at it is when Brad backed out and Pax came back with a different number to still buy them, i've been assuming he accepted all risks at that time.

Again, dont jump on me, im picking everyone's thoughts more like a discussion and less like a your wrong/hes right point of view.

All I want is the three receipts from the shops that cleared these heads... That right there will tell the world if the seller knew about this or not...

 

[raroz28]

All I want is the three receipts from the shops that cleared these heads... That right there will tell the world if the seller knew about this or not...

One of the guys who looked at the heads said he hadn't seen them in years. Technically they were inspected, just not in the timeframe that Brad wanted the buyer to believe. That's as good as a lie to me. His major selling point was that three reputable head builders had looked them over, flowed, etc. the heads. Obviously he knew the inspection was years ago and withheld this info from the buyer to ditch the heads.

 

[Tin]

Pax negotiated a lower priced based on the flaws that he understood, no big deal.

What you don't seem to understand is that the seller knew there were much more serious issues and he was morally and legally obligated to disclose them if he knew about them. Too many people are used to this immoral craigslist mentality and it has no place at a car club. If the seller did not know about the additional issues then it's no longer a legal matter but then it becomes a moral one (he should refund the money). If it was truly a fair deal then the seller will have no problem reselling the heads to someone else... It's that simple!

:applause:

 

[KWIK123]

This will cost Brad in the end, just by having a ruined reputation alone. Right or wrong $1100 Dosen't seem worth it to me.

 

[nitrouspete]

Thank you Pat!

Let's make this simple.

If you don't agree with this post, leave motown muscle and don't fucking come back.

nah, they can ban me if they want...ill keep my own opinion.

Choose to deal with me or dont, its no skin off my back.

customer service only goes so far, and as far as used race car parts go, you buy them at your own risk. plain and simple. dont like it, dont buy used. EDIT- let me rephrase this...you buy known flawed race car parts at your own risk...if the seller says they are good to go with no flaws and you get junk, thats another story.

LT1 Pat says the seller knew there were more serious issues.....not one time does Pax or Brad state that either one of them knew of these further issues. as far as a moral matter, not once did i see anyone say Brad forced him to buy them or bait him into buying them at said lower price. pax and brad were the only ones there and no one had a gun to pax head to buy them. he bought as is parts, not as is but if you find more issues later, ill give you your money back.

Quoting LT1 Pat-" Pax negotiated a lower priced based on the flaws that he understood, no big deal." .....if he had no idea what he was looking at to understand, he should of brought someone who did know what they were looking at. he still made the deal with the option of having a third party take a look, but declined. so how does this show Brad was hiding anything from him?

 

[PaxNovi 5.0]

Flaw. A flaw, single flaw. Not the whole bunch of flaw(s) that turned out to be wrong with them.

 

[smooth]

nah, they can ban me if they want...ill keep my own opinion.

Choose to deal with me or dont, its no skin off my back.

customer service only goes so far, and as far as used race car parts go, you buy them at your own risk. plain and simple. dont like it, dont buy used.

LT1 Pat says the seller knew there were more serious issues.....not one time does Pax or Brad state that either one of them knew of these further issues. as far as a moral matter, not once did i see anyone say Brad forced him to buy them or bait him into buying them at said lower price. pax and brad were the only ones there and no one had a gun to pax head to buy them. he bought as is parts, not as is but if you find more issues later, ill give you your money back.

Quoting LT1 Pat-" Pax negotiated a lower priced based on the flaws that he understood, no big deal." .....if he had no idea what he was looking at to understand, he should of brought someone who did know what they were looking at. he still made the deal with the option of having a third party take a look, but declined. so how does this show Brad was hiding anything from him?

Dude you need to bounce, take your shit to craigslist or another forum. We don't need shady fucks like you around here. When a seller says they had a shop look at the heads prior to selling, you would think they were as described!!!! Considering the seller is a god damn business owner that (at one time) was a sponsor of the website these heads were for sale on, you would think the person was trust worthy

 

[99lsWON]

Flaw. A flaw, single flaw. Not the whole bunch of flaw(s) that turned out to be weong with them.

I notice you have to keep reiterating that to him. its painful to watch. lol

 

[BigWheelinBubba]

nah, they can ban me if they want...ill keep my own opinion.

Choose to deal with me or dont, its no skin off my back.

customer service only goes so far, and as far as used race car parts go, you buy them at your own risk. plain and simple. dont like it, dont buy used. EDIT- let me rephrase this...you buy known flawed race car parts at your own risk...if the seller says they are good to go with no flaws and you get junk, thats another story.

LT1 Pat says the seller knew there were more serious issues.....not one time does Pax or Brad state that either one of them knew of these further issues. as far as a moral matter, not once did i see anyone say Brad forced him to buy them or bait him into buying them at said lower price. pax and brad were the only ones there and no one had a gun to pax head to buy them. he bought as is parts, not as is but if you find more issues later, ill give you your money back.

Quoting LT1 Pat-" Pax negotiated a lower priced based on the flaws that he understood, no big deal." .....if he had no idea what he was looking at to understand, he should of brought someone who did know what they were looking at. he still made the deal with the option of having a third party take a look, but declined. so how does this show Brad was hiding anything from him?

I would generally agree with you Pete. You've made some good points based on selling stuff in general. But as was said a few times in this thread this is a close nit car club and we don't do stuff like that to our fellow members. If this were a biker club the club brothers would take turns beating the sellers ass. You don't do your club brothers that way. We stand up for each other and do things for each other.. That's what being in MM is all about. Not taking someone's hard earned money and saying "oh well".
Brad was on the defense from the time things went south. I think (just my putting the pieces together) that Brad had these on his car running and when he pulled them off he found the crack and tried to half-ass fix it.

I don't hold your opinion against you, Pete. But a lot of us have been here since day one and have never had to think twice when dealing with another member or sponsor (or former sponsor for that matter).

 

[nitrouspete]

nah, i think its funny you guys love someone then hate them....oh wait whats this post about 3 posts down Smooth?

http://www.motownmuscle.com/forums/...-O-hara-Automotive&highlight=smooth+thank+you

 

[smooth]

nah, i think its funny you guys love someone then hate them....oh wait whats this post about 3 posts down Smooth?

http://www.motownmuscle.com/forums/...-O-hara-Automotive&highlight=smooth+thank+you

Yea Brad hooked me up with an exhaust system, brand new....... Before he was a sponsor, then he screwed over 2 other friends on a deal after I thought he was legit..... A red turbo mustang gt....... then a transmission

But please try and switch the focus off you and your shady ways :facepalm:

 

[nitrouspete]

I would generally agree with you Pete. You've made some good points based on selling stuff in general. But as was said a few times in this thread this is a close nit car club and we don't do stuff like that to our fellow members. If this were a biker club the club brothers would take turns beating the sellers ass. You don't do your club brothers that way. We stand up for each other and do things for each other.. That's what being in MM is all about. Not taking someone's hard earned money and saying "oh well".
Brad was on the defense from the time things went south. I think (just my putting the pieces together) that Brad had these on his car running and when he pulled them off he found the crack and tried to half-ass fix it.

I don't hold your opinion against you, Pete. But a lot of us have been here since day one and have never had to think twice when dealing with another member or sponsor (or former sponsor for that matter).

big, i totally understand where your coming from. thank you for speaking very civil to me and respecting where im coming from. it really means alot and shows your personality. from what i heard through the grape vine though is instead of speaking with brad civily from the start, pax came at brad with threats of doing this if he dident meet his demands. this is why i believe brad was on the defense. just hear say though...no one will probably ever know.

 

[smooth]

It's pretty clear that Nitrous Pete has a certain connection with Brad, cause you sure know a lot about the details and clearly are up to bat for him :thumbsup: