Do Not Deal With Brad O'Hara/oharaautomotive

[CMYZ28]

MarkVIII93- yea, i had your girlfriend type it up for me. on a nicer note, your looking at it from the sellers angle only cuz your still butt hurt about ur recent online buy. the difference is you were told you were getting one thing and got something totally wrong and mis-matched. He saw what he was getting, knew he would need to have stuff done, worked out a price difference and made his choice.

Smooth- im not shady at all. last time i checked, an as is sale, is an as is sale....even more so when you know ur taking a risk before you buy it as issues you've seen. so how is that shady? please explain.

89-lx- are you not responsible for checking over your own parts when you buy them? if i look at something, and someone does not have receipts, then i assume it dident happen unless i can physically see it.

Raroz28- So the statements made by Brian are statements of assumptions. wheres the evidence that Brad was told this about these heads before he bought them and that they had these parts and work done when he bought them? and you say the statements i made give brad the benefit of the doubt....this is what a judge is going to see..the benefit of the doubt.


you guys are a trip. These were on his engine in his car which was running at the time for the buyer to see and you think he knew of these issues like it was some scam. Brad wont give the cash back to a guy who took a risk on some sold as is parts and you guys are putting your self in Pax shoes instead of looking at all angles. If that makes me shady for looking at the entire picture instead of looking at it from the buyers angle only, then say what you want. i really dont care. i'm done with this.

please post up the court results when its all said and done though. i'm interested to see what the outcome is.

Here's where that thing called "trust" comes in with MM sponsors(and sponsors who did not renew that were former sponsors). If one of our current sponsors tells u something, there shouldn't be any reason to ask for proof. These individuals are supposed to be good people who can be trusted. If they weren't, we'd drop them like a hot rock as a sponsor. If we allow someone to become a sponsor, that means that we are supporting their business practices and try to send business their way. If Ford Mo Co had a used car lot at one of their dealerships and was constantly receiving complaints in regards to their "AS-IS" used cars, then they'd be all over them as it can reflect on their reputation as a brand as well.. I'm not convinced that more issues weren't known by the seller of these heads and he was looking for the next "sucker" to pass them off on.

 

[nitrouspete]

Here's where that thing called "trust" comes in with MM sponsors(and sponsors who did not renew that were former sponsors). If one of our current sponsors tells u something, there shouldn't be any reason to ask for proof. These individuals are supposed to be good people who can be trusted. If they weren't, we'd drop them like a hot rock as a sponsor. If we allow someone to become a sponsor, that means that we are supporting their business practices and try to send business their way. If Ford Mo Co had a used car lot at one of their dealerships and was constantly receiving complaints in regards to their "AS-IS" used cars, then they'd be all over them as it can reflect on their reputation as a brand as well.. I'm not convinced that more issues weren't known by the seller of these heads and he was looking for the next "sucker" to pass them off on.

i understand what your saying Sir. i agree and am happy to be apart of Motown for this reason. you guys stand behind the greater good of everyone. i think this fight would have came on from Pax...brad being a old sponsor or not. i guess im just being the voice of the "big picture", more then just "customer service" and where i would stand if i was in the sellers shoes and not Pax.

i would be asking for the same thing if i was Pax, i can not deny that....but at the end of the day logically id be stuck with the parts and my choice to take the risk is all i was trying to say.

 

[raroz28]

That explains it. Lol. I agree that to an extent the buyer should be responsible. But from the sounds of it, the heads were cobbled together. There may have been some hidden issues that could only be identified by an expert after a thorough cleaning. I don't know brad or pax personally so my opinion on this whole thing stays neutral.


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The likelihood of Brad not knowing the true condition of these heads is highly improbable.

Pete, you want to keep throwing out that an "as-is" deal is an as-is deal. Sorry, I thought this was a car club with members who lookout for each other - not lie about the condition of heads while falling back on "as-is" when it is discovered that they are scrap. It's very easy to see an unsuspecting member visiting with a site sponsor and taking his word as to the condition of the heads. If the initial crack was the only issue, it would be a fair deal and that's on the buyer. The fact that they were totally reworked in a shoddy manner (could have been work done by Brad himself), thrown together with scrap pieces lying around, etc. gives weight to the idea that Brad probably knew the true condition of the heads at the time of the sale.

It isn't like it's a guy off the street. It was a member to member transaction, with the seller being a site sponsor. You can't blame pax for trusting him more than the average guy.

The only person who knows for sure as to the true condition of the heads is Brad. Based on what I've read, it's highly probable that he was unaware of their true condition. Even if he didn't, as-is or not, the right thing to do is to refund the money and take back his scrap aluminum.

The fact that he won't even entertain that idea is evidence that he knew he was selling junk. Who else on this forum would do that to another member? From what I've seen in this thread, only Brad and yourself, Pete.

So yes, shady.

 

[nitrouspete]

The likelihood of Brad not knowing the true condition of these heads is highly improbable.

Pete, you want to keep throwing out that an "as-is" deal is an as-is deal. Sorry, I thought this was a car club with members who lookout for each other - not lie about the condition of heads while falling back on "as-is" when it is discovered that they are scrap. It's very easy to see an unsuspecting member visiting with a site sponsor and taking his word as to the condition of the heads. If the initial crack was the only issue, it would be a fair deal and that's on the buyer. The fact that they were totally reworked in a shoddy manner (could have been work done by Brad himself), thrown together with scrap pieces lying around, etc. gives weight to the idea that Brad probably knew the true condition of the heads at the time of the sale.

It isn't like it's a guy off the street. It was a member to member transaction, with the seller being a site sponsor. You can't blame pax for trusting him more than the average guy.

The only person who knows for sure as to the true condition of the heads is Brad. Based on what I've read, it's highly probable that he was unaware of their true condition. Even if he didn't, as-is or not, the right thing to do is to refund the money and take back his scrap aluminum.

The fact that he won't even entertain that idea is evidence that he knew he was selling junk. Who else on this forum would do that to another member? From what I've seen in this thread, only Brad and yourself, Pete.

So yes, shady.

show me where Brad lied about the condition of the heads though? im not being ignorant or meaning for that to sound dickish...maybe i missed that part.

buyer and seller saw a flaw or two...saw that

seller told buyer sorry, you don't need to buy them.... saw that.

buyer and seller worked out a new price to reflect issues...saw that.

buyer is now pissed because the heads need more work then he saw or knew about and more work then Brad saw or knew....saw that.

Heads checked when seller first got them..saw that.

No recepts for any shops that checked them...saw that.

EDIT-buyer saw heads running on sellers personal vehicle...saw that.

I dident see where Brad said he was an expert head guy and said that the heads were good to go after they saw the issues...could you show me this?

 

[nitrouspete]

The likelihood of Brad not knowing the true condition of these heads is highly improbable.

Pete, you want to keep throwing out that an "as-is" deal is an as-is deal. Sorry, I thought this was a car club with members who lookout for each other - not lie about the condition of heads while falling back on "as-is" when it is discovered that they are scrap. It's very easy to see an unsuspecting member visiting with a site sponsor and taking his word as to the condition of the heads. If the initial crack was the only issue, it would be a fair deal and that's on the buyer. The fact that they were totally reworked in a shoddy manner (could have been work done by Brad himself), thrown together with scrap pieces lying around, etc. gives weight to the idea that Brad probably knew the true condition of the heads at the time of the sale.

It isn't like it's a guy off the street. It was a member to member transaction, with the seller being a site sponsor. You can't blame pax for trusting him more than the average guy.

The only person who knows for sure as to the true condition of the heads is Brad. Based on what I've read, it's highly probable that he was unaware of their true condition. Even if he didn't, as-is or not, the right thing to do is to refund the money and take back his scrap aluminum.

The fact that he won't even entertain that idea is evidence that he knew he was selling junk. Who else on this forum would do that to another member? From what I've seen in this thread, only Brad and yourself, Pete.

So yes, shady.

just so you know, i've already had multiple people send me pm's who agree with me. names will not be mentioned.

 

[raroz28]

show me where Brad lied about the condition of the heads though? im not being ignorant or meaning for that to sound dickish...maybe i missed that part.

buyer and seller saw a flaw or two...saw that

seller told buyer sorry, you don't need to buy them.... saw that.

buyer and seller worked out a new price to reflect issues...saw that.

buyer is now pissed because the heads need more work then he saw or knew about and more work then Brad saw or knew....saw that.

Heads checked when seller first got them..saw that.

No recepts for any shops that checked them...saw that.

EDIT-buyer saw heads running on sellers personal vehicle...saw that.

I dident see where Brad said he was an expert head guy and said that the heads were good to go after they saw the issues...could you show me this?

No, he was just adamant about the fact that he had them inspected and flowed by 3 reputable head shops and they had passed with flying colors.

He even went so far as to throw them under the bus when he referred to those shops and said "I won't be dealing with them again."

Then one of the guys chimed in and said that he hadn't seen the heads in years and when he did they were in great shape. What this means is that at the time that these heads were inspected, they were in great condition (years ago). That would mean that whatever damage was done to the heads, was done recently, Brad knew about it and tried to fix the obvious stuff (epoxied crack), and they did not pass any inspection close to the date of the sale as he inferred.

 

[90SuperchargedLx]

if I knew a set of heads I was buying even had a slight flaw I would pass heads are not that exspensive to cheap out on a used set that possibly could have issues so if u bought them knowing there were issues then u bit the bullet. I just bought a used engine off a member and its perfect but if it wasnt thats a chance u take buying used parts.

 

[raroz28]

if I knew a set of heads I was buying even had a slight flaw I would pass heads are not that exspensive to cheap out on a used set that possibly could have issues so if u bought them knowing there were issues then u bit the bullet. I just bought a used engine off a member and its perfect but if it wasnt thats a chance u take buying used parts.

But many people wouldn't pass up a good deal given a slight flaw that can be easily fixed.

The argument here is that Brad had knowledge that they were junk, yet marketed them as inspected and good to go. Every piece of evidence points to the idea that he knew, including his refusal to make right on the fact that he sold heads that cannot be run - they are essentially scrap.

 

[MarkVIII93]

The likelihood of Brad not knowing the true condition of these heads is highly improbable.

Pete, you want to keep throwing out that an "as-is" deal is an as-is deal. Sorry, I thought this was a car club with members who lookout for each other - not lie about the condition of heads while falling back on "as-is" when it is discovered that they are scrap. It's very easy to see an unsuspecting member visiting with a site sponsor and taking his word as to the condition of the heads. If the initial crack was the only issue, it would be a fair deal and that's on the buyer. The fact that they were totally reworked in a shoddy manner (could have been work done by Brad himself), thrown together with scrap pieces lying around, etc. gives weight to the idea that Brad probably knew the true condition of the heads at the time of the sale.

It isn't like it's a guy off the street. It was a member to member transaction, with the seller being a site sponsor. You can't blame pax for trusting him more than the average guy.

The only person who knows for sure as to the true condition of the heads is Brad. Based on what I've read, it's highly probable that he was unaware of their true condition. Even if he didn't, as-is or not, the right thing to do is to refund the money and take back his scrap aluminum.

The fact that he won't even entertain that idea is evidence that he knew he was selling junk. Who else on this forum would do that to another member? From what I've seen in this thread, only Brad and yourself, Pete.

So yes, shady.

Understandable. Again. I would rather not take sides but I do agree that Brad may have had knowledge of actual condition of the heads. Also stating that the heads were inspected prior to being run on an engine for four years just smells fishy.


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[nitrouspete]

No, he was just adamant about the fact that he had them inspected and flowed by 3 reputable head shops and they had passed with flying colors.

He even went so far as to throw them under the bus when he referred to those shops and said "I won't be dealing with them again."

Then one of the guys chimed in and said that he hadn't seen the heads in years and when he did they were in great shape. What this means is that at the time that these heads were inspected, they were in great condition (years ago). That would mean that whatever damage was done to the heads, was done recently, Brad knew about it and tried to fix the obvious stuff (epoxied crack), and they did not pass any inspection close to the date of the sale as he inferred.

i do agree that brad should have not thrown gregs under the bus. that was wrong.

i dident know the epoxy was new, i was under the impression that this was older. brand new epoxy would have kicked a red flag to walk away.

as far as the damage was done recently and brad knew, i dont think this was the case. they were on his running car.

no matter what...said issues were seen, brad tried to back out and say never mind but the buyer still made an offer. buyer should have got an expert opinion before the purchase if he had no idea what he was looking at.

as far as a guy chiming in and claiming he hadent seen the heads in years and they were good at that time...how did he remember these heads? i bet these guys see thousands of heads a year so how would he remember this exact set?


I'm not on anyone's side, im defending my opinion and thoughts of this issue.

if you run the risk of buying parts with potential known issues, then you should understand you take the risk of over looking something costly.

and as far as the statement above about comming back to the "as is"...i will keep comming back to it. You cant buy parts off a full race engine, that you see may have issues and you still decide to buy them, then get mad that it did not work out in your favor. don't like the risk? don't risk buying parts used...especially ones that you see a crack in aluminum on and its over 1000$.

if i had all the cash back from parts i bought off people that were junk or broke or needed stuff or were not what they said they were...i'd have enough money to build another car i bet....but i've also made out like a pig in shit before to paying 1/4 of the price for something used and making out. its all a risk.

 

[nitrouspete]

if I knew a set of heads I was buying even had a slight flaw I would pass heads are not that exspensive to cheap out on a used set that possibly could have issues so if u bought them knowing there were issues then u bit the bullet. I just bought a used engine off a member and its perfect but if it wasnt thats a chance u take buying used parts.

+1 thank you Sir for seeing what im saying.

im not taking sides...im just stating my openion.

 

[nitrouspete]

Understandable. Again. I would rather not take sides but I do agree that Brad may have had knowledge of actual condition of the heads. Also stating that the heads were inspected prior to being run on an engine for four years just smells fishy.


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i agree...cant say you had them inspected on an add. and it was 4 years ago. thats shady.

 

[cjmatt]

Your clearly shady as fuck

I sold you good heads

 

[smooth]

I sold you good heads

Yes you did and I didn't even have to look them over because your a long time member, with a great reputation..... I expected nothing but the best and thats what I got. Didn't touch the heads, slammed them on a motor and called it a day!!!

^^^^^ That right there is how Motown Members take care of one another

 

[CMYZ28]

Yes you did and I didn't even have to look them over because your a long time member, with a great reputation..... I expected nothing but the best and thats what I got. Didn't touch the heads, slammed them on a motor and called it a day!!!

^^^^^ That right there is how Motown Members take care of one another

U hit the nail on the head.

 

[ReiKo]

I'm still waiting on the RECIEPTS of the THREE shops that saw them over and said they were okay?????

 

[chunkybs]

i agree...cant say you had them inspected on an add. and it was 4 years ago. thats shady.

so if he was being shady about when they were inspected, IMO it's safe to assume that he was also lying/being shady/covering up the truth about the rest of the damage as well.

as someone stated earlier, if the deal wasn't a rip off, Brad should have no problem refunding Pax's money because it should be easy to sell the heads again for the same price. buuuut IMO he knows they were trash, and knows there is no way in hell he'd be able to sell them for close to that again.

 

[AutoRoc]

Yes you did and I didn't even have to look them over because your a long time member, with a great reputation..... I expected nothing but the best and thats what I got. Didn't touch the heads, slammed them on a motor and called it a day!!!

^^^^^ That right there is how Motown Members take care of one another

Exactly.. Pax should have bolted them on in good faith and set the world on fire? Imagine if they worked fine and this whole ordeal wouldn't exist..

 

[4Gas$]

Exactly.. Pax should have bolted them on in good faith and set the world on fire? Imagine if they worked fine and this whole ordeal wouldn't exist..

Denny I remember many years ago when I sold you one
of my Police Interceptors, you were “flying” home with
it on the freeway & called me and said; “Man, this car
doesn’t have a top-speed limiter on it, this is great!”.

I truly enjoy selling cars & whatnot. I’m not a business,
but I would be very concerned if someone felt ripped-off.

If I can’t guarantee it, I make it VERY CLEAR you are
buying it as is. Having said that, I would not and have
not ever knowingly sold something that was deficient
and not either fixed it or informed the purchaser of the
problem(s).

This whole heads deal is troubling. I have been on both sides
as a seller & a purchaser. I think for the most part, most of us
try to do the right thing because we’d want the other person
to do the same.

The day I have to rip folks off to sell something or make
a buck, is the day I get a new hobby.

I truly hope this situation gets worked out – and soon.

 

[PaxNovi 5.0]

He hasn't been on in 10 days now. He's just going to avoid the situation rather than do what's right. I'm not asking for the world... Hell, I'm not even asking for free money to fix them. I'm simply asking to return them in better condition, for full refund.