Cop Haters...

[TSHAFTISA5-OH]

Subie Cop.....what department do you work for? PM me if you don't want it out on the boards. It's always nice to see a fellow officer on a message board, and I'm sure you know the value of "networking", especially in our profession!

TSHAFT

 

[ASRoff]

Subie Cop.....what department do you work for? PM me if you don't want it out on the boards. It's always nice to see a fellow officer on a message board, and I'm sure you know the value of "networking", especially in our profession!

TSHAFT

I recognize the importance of networking in my profession. As a man whore Its good to know what my fellow pussy pounders are charging the ladys so I can stay competitive. :893nana:

 

[Stangdriver627]

Ticket question, regarding points.

I received a speeding ticket today, ticket is written as a 60 in a 55, was doing 65 in 55 according to him, although i could've sworn my speedo was reading 60, anyways...

I plan to take it to court.

But my main question is that i called the court house to set up a date, and they could not do it yet, as the ticket has not yet been processed. I asked if the ticket carried any points, she wasn't the brightest person. However she said that if the ticket was given on a highway, it carries no points, yet if it was not on a highway it carried points, but she did not know how many. Is this true, because its the first time I've ever heard of points varying by location other than a construction zone.

Also, the ticket was issued in Isabella county on M-20, is that classified as a highway or not, if you know.

Thanks for your time.

~Alex

P.S. - I plan to set up a date in person, but I am going to ask the clerk on duty if the ticket does carry points, if not i'm simply going to pay the fee and leave, but if it carries points i plan to go to court and "admit responsibility with explanation."

 

[subie cop]

Ticket question, regarding points.

I received a speeding ticket today, ticket is written as a 60 in a 55, was doing 65 in 55 according to him, although i could've sworn my speedo was reading 60, anyways...

I plan to take it to court.

But my main question is that i called the court house to set up a date, and they could not do it yet, as the ticket has not yet been processed. I asked if the ticket carried any points, she wasn't the brightest person. However she said that if the ticket was given on a highway, it carries no points, yet if it was not on a highway it carried points, but she did not know how many. Is this true, because its the first time I've ever heard of points varying by location other than a construction zone.

Also, the ticket was issued in Isabella county on M-20, is that classified as a highway or not, if you know.

Thanks for your time.

~Alex

P.S. - I plan to set up a date in person, but I am going to ask the clerk on duty if the ticket does carry points, if not i'm simply going to pay the fee and leave, but if it carries points i plan to go to court and "admit responsibility with explanation."

It takes a couple days for the ticket to reach the court so that may explain why they dont have any info on yours yet.

If the 5 over is written as a "limited access speed" ticket, i.e. highway, than the 5 over carries no points. If its written as just a 5 over (like on Woodward for example) then it carries points. Confused yet?

 

[twotwoturbo]

well i have no problems with cops. We ran a stop sign last nite on 8 mile got rolled on by 3 detroit cops they were cool as fuck thought just got us outta the car and in handcuffs quick ! no tickets on top of it ! +1 for them guys for just doing there job!

 

[Stangdriver627]

It takes a couple days for the ticket to reach the court so that may explain why they dont have any info on yours yet.

If the 5 over is written as a "limited access speed" ticket, i.e. highway, than the 5 over carries no points. If its written as just a 5 over (like on Woodward for example) then it carries points. Confused yet?

Would that clarification be written on the ticket?

~Alex

 

[subie cop]

Would that clarification be written on the ticket?

~Alex

depends on the Officer. Sometimes it will be written on there in plain writting and sometimes its written in "code", i.e. the code its under in the Michigan Motor Vehicle Code....like 22.631 or something.

Check to see if there is anything like that and get back with me.

 

[t-typex1]

It takes a couple days for the ticket to reach the court so that may explain why they dont have any info on yours yet.

If the 5 over is written as a "limited access speed" ticket, i.e. highway, than the 5 over carries no points. If its written as just a 5 over (like on Woodward for example) then it carries points. Confused yet?

With this in mind, even though SOS doesnt give points, ins companies still hold them against you. Found that out after I got a limited access ticket, paid it, and my ins co renewal reflected the points. I thaught it was pretty unfair that I had no points on my license, but the insurance company could still hold it against you. Its truly BS, so check how your ins handles it. That was Citizens BTW...

 

[Uncle B]

With this in mind, even though SOS doesnt give points, ins companies still hold them against you. Found that out after I got a limited access ticket, paid it, and my ins co renewal reflected the points. I thaught it was pretty unfair that I had no points on my license, but the insurance company could still hold it against you. Its truly BS, so check how your ins handles it. That was Citizens BTW...

I wonder if this is specific to Citizens, or if other insurance companies do the same. I was in the exact same situation, where my Citizens insurance agent told me I have 2 tickets on my record. Both these tickets were ones that I went to court for and got reduced to zero points. Apparently they were reduced to 5 over speeding and the insurance company still saw them when they ran my record.

 

[subie cop]

I wonder if this is specific to Citizens, or if other insurance companies do the same. I was in the exact same situation, where my Citizens insurance agent told me I have 2 tickets on my record. Both these tickets were ones that I went to court for and got reduced to zero points. Apparently they were reduced to 5 over speeding and the insurance company still saw them when they ran my record.

The 0pt limited access tickets still show up on your record which is why you still get boned. Thats why everyone shoots for "blockading/impeding" tickets. Those are 0pts and DO NOT show up on your record.

 

[BigWheelinBubba]

Fuck insurance companies Those bastards rape us on our rates, run our credit and think because someone has a low credit score that they're going to get in an accident before someone with a high score or their car is more likely to get stolen. Anything they can do to make an extra buck /rant

 

[lab1702]

Fuck insurance companies Those bastards rape us on our rates, run our credit and think because someone has a low credit score that they're going to get in an accident before someone with a high score or their car is more likely to get stolen. Anything they can do to make an extra buck /rant

Insurance is just statistics. If lower credit score correlates to more accidents in their database, it probably just means that people with lower credit scores drive in areas that are more accident/theft prone.

This argument seems to come up about Detroit as well. If your car is more likely to get stolen in Detroit, than say, Grass Lake, doesn't it make sense that you pay more if you park your car in Detroit every night? :lol:

 

[Crazzy_Al]

One of the most common threads I see lately is "I got a ticket, what do I do?" or "Ticket, help!"

Unfortunately no one is immune to tickets and sometimes one of us gets pinched. Most of the time these "ticket" threads appear to be a place where the original poster wants information regarding his/her chances of getting the ticket reduced and sometimes its just a place to bitch about the cops.

So, that being said I thought I'd post a thread about what usually happens in Michigan courts.


After a ticket is issued you have two choices.

1. Set a court date
2. Pay the ticket

If it were me, I'd always set some sort of court date because the chances of getting a ticket reduced is pretty damn good (depending on a few criteria which Ill talk about later).

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There are usually three types of court appearances, Pretrial, Informal and Formal. Some of you will go through all three and some will to one or two.

Pretrial -

Here you meet with the city/township prosecutor who usually offers you a "deal" depending on your driving record. If you take the deal then its over, you go to the front desk and pay the fine. If you don't like the deal offered then another court date is set, usually a Formal.

Informal -

Here you are in front of a magistrate along with the original Officer that wrote the ticket. When it comes your time the magistrate will call you up, swear you in and then do the same with the Officer. The magistrate will read the violation and give you one of three options.

1. plead responsible - you admit responsibility and pay the fine

2. plead responsible with an explanation - you admit responsibility but give an explanation as to why the violation occurred. Sometimes this can influence the magistrate in their decision if there is a good reason for doing what you did.

3. take it to a hearing - you fight the ticket. Here you both will tell your side of the story and the magistrate will then decide your "fate" based on both testimonies.

Once the magistrate has rulled you have the right to take the matter to a Formal hearing, essentially appealing the ruling.

side note: look for the Officer outside the court room prior to going into court. If you find him/her ask to speak with them regarding what occured that day. Be nice and ask if there is any way they could help you out regarding the points. Often you will find that this works in your favor.

Formal -

Here you meet with the Officer who is represented by the city/township prosecutor. You can either bring your own attorney or represent yourself. Your attorney will then try and work out a deal for you with the prosecutor and the Officer (who has some say but its really up to the prosecutor). If you have no attorney then you can attempt to do the same. If a deal can not be worked out the matter goes before a Judge in the same manner as the Informal. The Judge wont ask you how you plead because its assumed by now your not gonna admit responsibility.

Both the Officer and you will get on the stand and testify as to what occurred that day. You will then be questioned by the city/township prosecutor and the Officer will be questioned by either you (if you have no attorney) or your attorney. Based on the testimonies the Judge will make his/her decision.

Something to also note. Before the hearing if your offered a deal its null/void if you take it to a hearing. If your found responsible there the original violation holds true.

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Things that are often taken into consideration when taking a ticket to court.

1. Your driving record

2. Your attitude at the traffic stop (the Officer will take notes and everything will be recorded - if the city has cameras)

3. Are you a resident where the violation occurred (breaks are often given to residents due to them being taxepayers...but not always)

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There is no exact science but this is usually the procedure in Michigan traffic court. Some cities/townships are more strict and despite the request of Officers, lawyers and prosecutors your stuck with the original ticket.

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As always, feel free to PM me or post in my thread.

Good info. I might need some of this REAL soon. :lol: Thanks!

 

[subie cop]

Good info. I might need some of this REAL soon. :lol: Thanks!

lets hope not!

 

[subie cop]

ok, I haven't had good luck with this thread on other sites lately so I'm hesitant about reviving it again......lets see how it goes

 

[86 jewel]

Lots of good info!! Awesome thread!!

 

[subie cop]

Lots of good info!! Awesome thread!!

thanks, not everyone has thought of this as positive but maybe it was just the site it was posted on and the "clientele" that posted comments.

 

[wayfastwhitey191]

+1 for your avatar

 

[MentalMisfit]

Just wondering what your opinion is on this.
this happened a few years ago to me.

i was riding with 2 friends all of us on motorcycles. It was starting to rain so the road was a bit slick my friends GF was following us on her bike she was a new rider and ended up grabbing a handful of front brake and crashed. Not even sure how she crashed. So we turned around she was real shaken up ambulance was called ect and a cop showed up. I guess another lady that was driving pulled over and stopped. Saw the cop talking to her and the officer then walks up to us and asks us if we where doing wheelies.... I had a passenger on the back of my bike and explained to him that under no circumstance would I ever do a wheelie with someone on the back of my bike. The girl that crashed was on an old ninja 500 you can't even bounce those bikes up...I'm unsure if my friend actually did a wheelie because he was behind me.I told the officer that as well i was 100% honest with him. I guess this lady told the officer we all where doing wheelies. I ended up getting a careless driving ticket out of it. Had to goto court 2x for it. First time i had to request a formal hearing because you can't really fight a ticket at an informal from what i hear. My friend got a lawyer we ended up getting a 65 in a 60 no point ticket but like a $150 fine, and 10 hours community service out of it. This happened on john R near big beaver road wasn't on a highway.

I didn't even want the lawyer to make a deal for me but she did.. funny thing is she was giving me shit about representing me for free and I didn't even ask her to.. I think she was afraid my friends would of paid for her and i would of gotten off with nothing. I don't think the eye witness could of even said what color my bike was let alone that my front tire was off the ground.

I guess my question is it normal or even legal for a bystander to tell a police officer they saw something and the officer issue a ticket for it? specially for a ticket as serious as careless driving? My insurance company would of dropped my motorcycle for that ticket. I had a spotless record at the time.

Thank you for your time!

I always give police officers a ton of respect thats a very hard job to do. Thank you for your service!

 

[Steve O.]

SOB Cop

I have not had any traffic tickets in the last 15 years until 3 weeks ago. I got pulled over for going 6mph over in a 45mph posted area. I was extremely polite to the officer and even did not move until the officer could see my hands and even spoke to him in advance before reaching for my license and insurance.

Before going to his car he asked me how my driving record was and I told him spotless for the last 15 years.

He ended giving me a ticket for 6mph over with a note that stated that in the comment section.

I am not mad about the ticket or being polite to him because that is how I would like to be treated.

I am mad about him asking me about my record and then giving me the ticket.

So if I had tickets on my record he would of given me a break? See my issue with his question? Why even ask the question, "How is your driving record?".

Hopefully I will get a chance to ask him in person soon.

Subie Cop, do you know why a officer would ask that question? What's the benefit?

Steve