Anyone ever use watson racing(brownstown) for tuning?

sqidd said:
I'm contributing a different viewpoint.

Are you one of those people who is cool with everyone having an opinion.............. as long as it's the same as yours?
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My viewpoint is that you are a troll. Care to give us your real name? So we can verify your story of not having anything to do with Watson?

-Geoff
 
Clearly you guys don't want to hear anything that doesn't agree with you 100%. Good luck with that over the long run.
 
hangemhigh said:
No...he's the kind of guy who will drive 30 minutes out of his way to drop off parts to other members. Give you a deal, lend his help and or advice. That's why there's rep points above our avatars...
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And new guys wonder why they don't get no R-E-S-P-E-C-T. Heck I consider myself a new guy!!

As for the communication issues mentioned by squidd: I count at least 9 references in red2004's own account of some sort of contact. Either him calling them, or them calling him. This is BEFORE he picked the car up and had his wife start calling. All this going on and he never ONCE thought to ask "Where are we at on the bill?" They never said "If you want us to keep fixing these problems, it's running up your bill."? ALL of you failed to think about this?? Are you kidding me?
Lesson for all: Communication.

Next lesson: Take responsibility for YOUR build. Yes, you have a right to expect quality workmanship. But in this situation, they have to work with whatever WE give them to work with. red2004 stated that he was in a hurry to get the car done for Woodward. I cannot help but feel that this likely resulted in some of the issues.

The level of workmanship done by Watson in this instance sounds pretty bad no matter how bad the car was when it showed up. The communication issues have been beaten to death on both sides. I DO fault the Watson guys for the way they responded when the issues surfaced. NOT having the data generated by the dyno runs is not acceptable, no matter how much power was (Or wasn't.) made.

I hate seeing this crap. I don't like seeing anyone get screwed over. I also hate the fact that I WANT Watson to be a good resource for us Downriver guys, and I am discouraged by all this. As much as I have confidence in Watson as a company, (And my getting the car ready for dyno) I question the guy who he has tuning cars.
 
MarkVIII93 said:
Can I be a troll too?
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Seems like you've got the knack for it....;)

sqidd said:
Clearly you guys don't want to hear anything that doesn't agree with you 100%. Good luck with that over the long run.
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That may be, but I'm sure we'd all agree that taking the small step of becoming a "club member", and actually supporting the forum, might lend you a modicum of credibility....After all, you've enjoyed everyone's company for over six years....Just something that you may wish to consider...
 
90SuperchargedLx said:
Ok so if watson is good and not bad can we hear a few good stories from members who have used their services? I know their has to be a few people who have used them before??
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They just recently opened up the retail and dyno tuning side. I can tell you that they build 6 or 8 sets of headers for me over the years. Gary Cook worked over there at the time. He did probably half of them. Perfect every time. They have done countless fabrication jobs for me over the many years I have dealt with them. Not to mention all the racecars they have built over the past 7 years.
 
sqidd said:
That's not what I was suggesting at all. I was suggesting that they have managed to do this for 35yrs without bad press (I've never heard any). Then red2004 comes along. Maybe the problem is red2004 and not Watson.
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This isn't their first problem in this area. They just got their new dyno room and " tuner" about 2 years ago it seems like the issues may have started then.
 
sqidd said:
Clearly you guys don't want to hear anything that doesn't agree with you 100%. Good luck with that over the long run.
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I would love to hear Watson's side. So next time you talk to your buddies over there, Jason, tell them they are welcome to come on here and post up their side. Sending buddies to troll here is frowned upon though.

-Geoff
 
WhiteHawk said:
I would love to hear Watson's side. So next time you talk to your buddies over there, Jason, tell them they are welcome to come on here and post up their side. Sending buddies to troll here is frowned upon though.

-Geoff
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x2 I would also like to hear their excuse...... I mean side
 
bluethunder said:
Lonny, I'm sure you HAD good intentions at First. I am just dumbfounded that you would get on a Forum and Bash, Or let your "Friend" bash a company for work that they did or didn't do.
From reading all your comments, you seem to contradict yourself many times. This usually happens when someone is trying to make things up to help their cause or avoid detection of some-sort. This post you made above has me confused as well. Let's say that in a perfect world, Watson had tuned the car and made the 550 HP you wanted....and the Clutch burned up in the process.....Is this their fault or yours? I would assume you would have badmouth'd them for doing this even though you have admitted that you took them a potentially 550HP making "Monster" with an un-adjusted clutch... I hope you see Where I am going with this.. We all know by reading this thread that some things were left out of the story, but we can make "educated" assumptions and fill in the holes. I fully understand how you might be upset with the outcome, but you must understand that the outcome is partially your doing. I for one, don't think They should have taken on the task of working on the car after looking at it with the problems they found. On the flip side to that, they spent time and someone's money to try and correct issue on your car, and you told them an Amount YOU were comfortable paying.....and then you did what I warn young people about..... You went back on the only thing that truly means anything to men...Your WORD
I have a business in this industry, and when I tell someone I will do something, or I agree to pay something, regardless of the outcome...I do it. This helps me sleep at night knowing that my Word is the Strongest thing I can offer someone. I am not here to "babysit" or give "Lectures" on life values, I am however upset that you took it upon yourself with the help of a friend to get on a public forum and tried to make a business that has been SOLID for the last 35 years seem like some "Fly By Night" shade tree Mechanic. Give them the respect they've earned and deserve...

Lastly, If there is one thing I've learned about the Hotrodding "Lifestyle", it is that there are not many "Shops" or Companies left that are willing to help the person who doesn't have 6 ZERO's in their bank accounts and I for one, would never burn a bridge as you have done in such a small Community as the Racing/Hot Rodding World.
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Well first off I didnt bash anyone....did I say "Do NOT use watson for anything"...nope. Im not hiding anything, have no reason. I wouldnt blame them for a clutch unless it was obviously abused. There were absolutely 0 communication skills in this process. Should have never took 2 weeks to work on my car, and its funny that I tell them im coming to get my car and they tell me they will have it done today....And like I said if there was an issue with my car I would have went and picked it up and fixed the issue then brought it back, and I never authorized them to fix a problem with the car. And I never went back on my word until they went back on theres and didnt give me my shit that I shouldnt have even had to ask for and then I get cussed out for asking for it after 4hrs of waiting. And I hope you dont treat your customers this way. And sure maybe the business has been around for 30 yrs but how long have they been doing public tunes? I had all the respect for them until all this b.s. as a tuner. Like I told mr watson, im sorry for all this mess but it really just came down to a huge communication issue, which he agreed, so I will give mr watson all the respect that HE deserves, HE'S the one who got the company where it is today....not his employees tuning skills. There is plenty of tuners out there not looking to become a millionaire, they just love what they do and take care of there customer....sounds like you are only out to get paid and nothing else. And I did have another tuner work on the car yesterday and lets just say he was very disappointed in the way I was treated as a customer, and there tuning skills are very amateur. He had no problem tuning the car but I did need a mafia and my fuel pumps didnt keep up or one was bad and maxed out on the dyno, so I was advised to get the pump issue taking care of and bring it back, which I had 0 issue with doing, other than that the car idles better and performs even sounds better than what it did. I was very happy and completely satisfied with his tune and professionalism.
 
sqidd said:
There are a lot of people in the industry that get really ticked off about situations like this and will go out of their way to inject their opinion. EVERYONE in the industry has had to deal with people like red2004 and are sick to death of their crap.
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There you go saying I am bashing.....
 
OldbutNew said:
I have been reading this thread from the beginning. There are mistakes a plenty on BOTH sides of this issue.
Let me get this out of the way first: I have known the Watsons (Sr. and Jr.) since Sr. was still out on the shop floor. I have NEVER known either one of them to cheat, lie, deceive, or even hedge to cover their own ass. In my experience, they have gone out of their way to deliver quality products and services, whether they were part of a contract with Ford Racing, or a guy off the street getting an exhaust on his Hot Rod. Not nut swinging. This is a fact. 35 years in the business and their word has ALWAYS been good.

That being said, there is obviously a disconnect within their new division (Watson Racing). As stand-up as they (The Watsons AND their organization) have always been, the common thread I hear about one of their employees (Who is pivotal here) makes me think that Chuck MAY not have the whole story as reported by this employee. The "repair and diagnostic" work that makes up the bulk of this dispute isn't something that Chuck actually did, it was done by one or more of his guys. HE is relying on THEM to give a clear and acurate picture of what happened. I think there may be some hedging there.

Lonny, I don't know you. I don't know what your level of experience is. From the sound of it, you're on your second build (or so) and going for the boosted application on a budget. Nothing wrong with that. BUT before you drop off a car that you JUST BARELY finished, experience will tell you certain things need to be checked out 110%. You got in a hurry to "see the numbers" that you and your buddies thought it SHOULD make. From the fact that your wife got involved in this, (Really?) I would bet there was a certain level of pressure on the homefront: "You have sunk SO much money in that car, and now it's going to be ANOTHER $800 just to get it tuned? When is it actually going to run?" (Even if she never spoke those words, a couple dozen guys reading this has heard them before!!)
You didn't want to drive the car without a tune. OK. I have taken a cam card and an engine build sheet to the tuner, and sat down and gotten a preliminary cal flashed so I could safely drive the car. NOT race it. NOT do holeshots. Safely start and run that car so ALL systems can be checked out. Did you ask about this?? Look into it next time.

I think Watson has a few communication problems, and maybe the guy doing the tuning is not all he's cracked up to be. There aren't a ton of guys running around with that skill set. As a new business venture, I'm sure Chuck hired the best people he could find. Or at least the best ones who applied. I will say with confidence: Chuck WILL take this series of events seriously and make changes to prevent it from happening again.

I read your account of things several times.
YOU, Sir. OWN the process of modifying and getting YOUR car ready for it's intended purpose. Whether that be a show 'n shine, or going for The Belt, a Wally, or Victory Lane at The Daytona 24, YOU are in charge of WHAT gets done, HOW it's done and WHO does it. From the planning, to the budget, to sourcing the parts and outside services, to maintaining it, it's ON YOU. Even if you are just a check writer with a helmet. (By the way: Watson deals with ALL of these scenarios. On the highest proffessional levels.) You let the process get away from you. It happens. It happens to the less experienced at a much higher rate than to the Pros. But, yes it happens to the Pros too. You got in a hurry, compromised the quality of what YOU did to the car, then got into a communications issue with the tuner. He then got into a communications issue with the guys around him, and it spiraled out of control. I was one of the guys who asked you how it went. I wanted to know what your experience was. Therefor, I can't fault you for reporting out. But I think you showed a little more of YOUR ass.

Take this experience for what it's worth. Don't try to do ANYTHING on your car half-assed. And don't let your wife fight your battles for you. (Really?)
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Thanks for the advice, didnt really know about the pretunes just to get the car to drive untill just the past couple weeks, but after the car was complete the car ran, idled, warmed up to proper temperature, etc....there was 0 sign to my knowledge and the couple others that looked over the car of the car having any possibility of problems so I felt confident on proceeding with taking it to the tuner. My wife is always right there with me on the things that are done with the car and has even got oil on her hands a couple times lol, plus she helps pay the bills so why not let her vent....plus she is much more blunt than I am, ive always been the person to give the 3 strike rule....she only gives 1 lol.
 
Oh and forgot to mention, that one of there employees told me when it comes to who there tuner is its not just who is a good tuner, its if they show up, is on time, has a good attitude, etc....so remember this, maybe there tuner is all they have.
 
sqidd said:
No one ever mentioned them before red2004 either. Just sayin.
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Yes and that was the reason I made this thread, because I didnt find anything searching forums and internet, and as you see at the beginning of this thread there were no negative comments....so I tried not just choosing anyone to tune my car.
 
11secSVT said:
Not getting informed as your bill is sky rocketing is wrong. I just picked up my 04 Cobra (Procharger F1A) from Walsh and we had a ton of problems on the dyno but he called me everytime before the bill increased to inform me.
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Sorry to hear that but Amen for them communicating with you.
 
smooth said:
Dude who the fuck are you? You have been a member since 2008 and have zero interest in contributing anything to this site until Watson gets bashed for doing shitty work, why don't you and bluethunder go get a room. Fucking trolls
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Yea just leave cause you definitely are not doing anything to resolve anyones issue with them.
 
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