78 caballero

my buddy keeps trying to get me to buy his LQ4 long block thats been stroked to 409 with fully fordged bits... Id love to get another ls, but honestly I cant bank roll that and the resto/mod to the car just yet... That seems like a project for 40 year old me!
Mike, This was the engine that cam with the car. I orrigionally pulled it because I didnt trust the kids work (judging by the rest of the car) and it looked like hell so I wanted to inspect it, toss some new gaskets at it, paint it ect....
 
Well she's in short block status.
New rod bearings (plasti gauged at 0.0015) arp connecting rod bolts cleaned, re-honed and assembly lubed.
I'm happy to report she only took 20ft lbs to roll over, that's 10ft lbs less than before... Hopefully this gets it.
Also more improvement, I four the proper tap and cleaned out the threads for the head bolts... They were a lot worse than I thought. I went to blow out the holes an loads of crap came out of the cooling jackets.... Man, I'm glad I took it back appart!
 
Ok, now I'm pissed.
Got her back together re-primed the engine, same crap. Turned over with a little more meshie noise than I'd like to hear personally (tho it is shimmed properly) 35ish ftlbs of torque to turn her over without plugs. Starter just doesn't have the grunt to turn her over with plugs.
Heck, this time around I pulled all the plugs put a compression gauge in one cylinder and sure enough she stalled out on that compression stroke (only hit 60psi).
Exchanging the starter tomorrow and we shal see...
 
Was that block ever over heated?

Don't know, but remember, it started and ran just fine when I pulled it to a gasket replacement/repaint... This is a new issue. I gotta think at this point it's an issue with the starter or the heads were surfaced and the compression is too high for the starter.... However the starter stalled out with one cylinder under only 60 psi of pressure...
I would be more inclined to think it was something inturnaly if I didnt take it appart a second time clean and inspect it again and it's in specs as far as torque to turn it over....
 
The starter likely overworked/overheated trying to turn that bent flex plate from when the pilot bearing was still in it. Try a new starter.
 
Starter was bad,
New starter didn't do much better. Still the same nasty mesh noise still the same lack of turnie-over...
40ftlb of torque to turn it over with no plugs 65 to turn it over with plugs in it..
Idk, it seems in spec from what I can find....
Think it's time for a better quality starter...
 
The only other thing I could offer is that there were dozens of starters made for the sbc motors. If it makes noise or requires shims, something is amiss. I would run the casting numbers and find out what the block was sourced from and get a starter for that application. Good luck. I was hoping to see this project progressing by now. Funny how its always the small stuff causing the biggest headaches and setbacks.
 
The only other thing I could offer is that there were dozens of starters made for the sbc motors. If it makes noise or requires shims, something is amiss. I would run the casting numbers and find out what the block was sourced from and get a starter for that application. Good luck. I was hoping to see this project progressing by now. Funny how its always the small stuff causing the biggest headaches and setbacks.

Starter and flex plate are both new for the same year make and model.

As for the battery cables being bad, they are a newer 3/8" dia wire jumper cables.... Don't think those go bad...
 
You really need to stop cranking this thing without it being oil primed properly and if it resists you stop.
You'll score another set of bearings. I would be looking at the crank again and try to check it for straightness.
Turn the shortblock caps up. Pull all but the end 2 main caps and indicate the center of the crank for runout.
If something is binding you need to find it. It has to be a clearance problem or a bent part. A bent rod could act this way.
Did this crank turn freely without the rods on it?
 
You really need to stop cranking this thing without it being oil primed properly and if it resists you stop.
You'll score another set of bearings. I would be looking at the crank again and try to check it for straightness.
Turn the shortblock caps up. Pull all but the end 2 main caps and indicate the center of the crank for runout.
If something is binding you need to find it. It has to be a clearance problem or a bent part. A bent rod could act this way.
Did this crank turn freely without the rods on it?

I wouldn't cranks it that much dry either;
All bearings have assembly lube on them, cylinder walls were wetted with oil before putting the heads back on and I primed it on top of all that.
None of the main caps had any un-even wear patterns on them and after I put the crank back in and torqued it it spun over very free.

The assembled short block rolled over smooth at 25-30 ftlbs piston to deck clearance measured in between 0.055-0.060 across all cylinders. Full assembled engine without plugs rolls over smoothly at 40 ft lbs, and with plugs in hits a max of 65ft lbs.

It dosent resist when plugs are out and does not jurk or have any "tight spots". The only veritable left in my mind (other than the starter being shit) is if the heads were shaved, I didn't have the proper stuff to measure the volume of the chambers. Then again seeing how it stalls out with only 60psi compression on one cylinder and the plugs out of the rest I think it's safe to say excessive compression is not the cause...

Again please remember, this was a running engine when it was pulled, the initial work was take it appart to a short block, loosen the caps by a quarter turn and re-torqued them, cleaned every thing, put in an upper end gasket set, re-assemble and pain. After I got it back in the car I discovered the issue, replaced the starter and still had an issue. That's when I pulled it again did a full tear down, clean up, rod bearing replacement re-assembly...
 
Are the plugs showing any sign that they are getting tapped by the pistons?

No signs of contact on the plugs, valves, or pistons.
When it stops its not an abrupt mechanical stop it's compression lock, hisses for a few seconds than you can bump the stater again and get another 1/3 turn out of it before it locks again.

It can't be plug interference as it locks with all the plugs out and a compression gauge on one cylinder (only developed 60 psi before locking)
 
Starter and flex plate are both new for the same year make and model.

As for the battery cables being bad, they are a newer 3/8" dia wire jumper cables.... Don't think those go bad...
dont be so sure. Most jumper cables are junk. I make my own from welding cable. Longer they are the bigger they should be
 
Well shit... Big block starter didn't work...
Guess that leaves me with one logical solution; build a big block seeing how I have the starter and all...
 
Will it spin over with out plugs in it ?? if you have a DVOM check voltage at the starter lug also what the battery voltage ?..long cheap jumper cables will drop a ton of voltage across them..for the record BBC SBC starters are the same ..thier is a high torque factory starter out thier that has a londer body ..I use a tilton on my 13 to 1 and 15 to 1 BBC's with zero crank issues ..where you located at ? were are you grounding the cables ?
 
Guess you are done to the wires. Make sure you have a good ground to the block, frame and body.


And good wires.

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