Step 1... House passed the..... You don't need a permit to carry concealed.... Bill

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Translation: Hey bad guys / terrorists,
Shoot defenseless people here!
 
CruisnCobra said:
Illegal only in the terms of trespassing. Private property can set their own rules can only tell you to leave if they catch/ care if your carrying. If they tell you to leave and you don't, they can call the cops and then you could be charged for trespassing.
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This.

It's not a gun violation or even a crime if they catch you. It's trespassing if you don't leave. Obviously they can also revoke your membership at their discretion. I still carry there regardless. Fuck 'em


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I carry. My wife carries. My kid carries. His friends carry. The amount and variety of firearms and ammunition in my house is as good as some small-town gun stores.

That being said. I am NOT in favor of seeing this pass. There has hardly been a time on the range when I have NOT cringed at the behavior, safety focus, and situational awareness displayed by some fellow shooters. I would be in favor of ADDITIONAL training for those with the inclination and budget. Pass a psych exam, get a prescribed amount and type of training, and get a "Super Licence". This would make it legal for you to carry ANYWHERE. Schools, churches, bars, you know - all the soft targets.
Malls creep me out!! If there was ever a soft target custom-made for someone who despises our lifestyle...

The "right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Think about the context of this. When it was written. What life was really like. Stupid people didn't usually make past puberty. A musket weighed 14 or more pounds and was 5 feet long. Hiding one of the pistols of that era in you waistcoat only happens in the movies!! Compare that to some of the people you see at the range with their brand-new shiny pistol... You really want them in the grocery line behind you??
 
i carry in all soft targets I feel the need. I don't care if I offend anyone on here. I am nervous for this to pass when I live in the new little Detroit (Clinton township)

I wonder how we all would feel if we didn't live so close to Detroit.... or a ghetto populous. If someone without training is brandishing a weapon it would take less then a second to make the decision to justifiably stop that threat on your life. I would hate to be put in a situation where I would feel I need to act because everyone that can afford one thinks they can go out and protect themselves.

What would this do to the purchase process?

Who truly opposes a cpl without a gun board? Criminals, or someone who can financially make the commitment? Then you probably don't equip the skills needed to carry a firearm.


Don't get me started on more untrained women now carrying...or more importantly in their purse.

But what if I lived in an area where the character of the people weren't in question?... maybe I wouldn't be as opposed. I'd rather have 10 like minded people with weapons if the situation called for - vs. just myself.
 
Carrying a firearm isn't a "right" as much as it is a responsibility if you choose. And if you can't get through a cpl process... how are you even known to be responsible with a weapon or even know basic safety? So now people without any footing can steal a few lawn mowers and buy them self a Taurus to walk around with? AND BE LEGAL WALKING AROUND with it in their waist band.
 
OldbutNew said:
The "right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Think about the context of this. When it was written. What life was really like. Stupid people didn't usually make past puberty. A musket weighed 14 or more pounds and was 5 feet long. Hiding one of the pistols of that era in you waistcoat only happens in the movies!! Compare that to some of the people you see at the range with their brand-new shiny pistol... You really want them in the grocery line behind you??
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We were a much smaller nation at the time, in an almost constant danger of being taken over by the much bigger military powers of the day. On top of that, many families on the frontier were often subject to raids by bands of Native Americans (Ojibwa, Huron, Odawa, Fox, Miami, etc) and various forms of wildlife such as mountain lions, wolves, moose, and bears. All of which were very abundant in this very area then. At the time, it made perfect sense for everybody to be armed at all times so they could assist in warding off any invaders that tried to take away our sovereignty or kill our citizens.
 
Tin said:
We were a much smaller nation at the time, in an almost constant danger of being taken over by the much bigger military powers of the day. On top of that, many families on the frontier were often subject to raids by bands of Native Americans (Ojibwa, Huron, Odawa, Fox, Miami, etc) and various forms of wildlife such as mountain lions, wolves, moose, and bears. All of which were very abundant in this very area then. At the time, it made perfect sense for everybody to be armed at all times so they could assist in warding off any invaders that tried to take away our sovereignty or kill our citizens.
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Sounds kind of like modern-day Saginaw, but all the animals are two-legged.

In all seriousness, I don't know that I care that much. It's not going to change the way awful people behave.
 
wrath said:
Sounds kind of like modern-day Saginaw, but all the animals are two-legged.

In all seriousness, I don't know that I care that much. It's not going to change the way awful people behave.
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For sure, I was just stating what the train of thought may have been during the time the Second Amendment was written. We aren't subject to the same dangers as we were 240 years ago, now we focus on protecting ourselves from each other instead of outside threats.
 
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The legislation to allow someone to carry concealed without a license has not adversely effected any state that has allowed it.
Same argument arose when the rules changes a few years ago when the "shall issue" passed..... I was going to be the Wild Wild West if we abolish the gun boards...
This legislation specifically addresses the Michigan Constitution, which reads "Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state."
I feel much better knowing half the people standing in line in a store are carrying.... even if they did not take a class.
 
Stroked said:
Carrying a firearm isn't a "right" as much as it is a responsibility if you choose. And if you can't get through a cpl process... how are you even known to be responsible with a weapon or even know basic safety? So now people without any footing can steal a few lawn mowers and buy them self a Taurus to walk around with? AND BE LEGAL WALKING AROUND with it in their waist band.
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Thing is, anyone who wants too, will still steal a lawn mower and buy a Taurus and walk around, the people that do that, don't care about the laws. Never have.

If we could just make murder illegal...............

And robbery illegal

And car jacking illegal

And stealing lawnmowers illegal
 
Exactly...people are scared of guns but they are perfectly fine with the knife block sitting on their kitchen counter. Focus on actual crime not people that you think might be criminals....someday.

Please explain to me how someone who steals lawn mowers to fund a firearm purchase is different than an elected official who is being bribed and uses that to fund a firearm purchase. Crime is crime. The hope is that all criminals are punished properly. For example...armed robbery should equal death penalty. There should be zero tolerance for that shit.
 
Anthony said:
Thing is, anyone who wants too, will still steal a lawn mower and buy a Taurus and walk around, the people that do that, don't care about the laws. Never have.

If we could just make murder illegal...............

And robbery illegal

And car jacking illegal

And stealing lawnmowers illegal
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Exactly. Law should be black and white, hold people accountable for their actions.

Smith and Wesson is the great equalizer of men.
 
The analogy about Lawn mower theft was a jab at the affordability of a Taurus..... not sure how that statement got misinterpreted LOL


....... I'm saying that any piece of shit can scrounge up $200 to buy a weapon and put it in his pants. The act of him walking and possessing that weapon would be legal if this passes. I think some people understand a possible jail sentence for concealing a weapon without a license to do so and that deters most from doing so. I don't think only trained people will go out and start to carry now. Someone could be carrying that has never pulled a trigger
 
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Anyone can obtain a car if they have the resources/means to do so. Driving it legally or illegally; Licensed, Insured, Safely, Rightfully - will not matter to someone that is determined to drive the vehicle they have access to.

For additional clarity, if the bill is passed and a criminal act has taken place that involves the new law, it might now matter in the sentencing as there is a high probably the stack up of broken laws would equal life/death penalty.
 
Stroked said:
....... I'm saying that any piece of shit can scrounge up $200 to buy a weapon and put it in his pants. The act of him walking and possessing that weapon would be legal if this passes. I think some people understand a possible jail sentence for concealing a weapon without a license to do so and that deters most from doing so. I don't think only trained people will go out and start to carry now. Someone could be carrying that has never pulled a trigger
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You'll never stop shit bags from having guns. You think they are going to go out and buy a new gun?! Get real!! They will buy a hot piece downtown for $50 and some weed.
 
ultradriver10000 said:
You'll never stop shit bags from having guns. You think they are going to go out and buy a new gun?! Get real!! They will buy a hot piece downtown for $50 and some weed.
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This is such a broad casted statement.


We will play the scenario like you say. A hot piece would not be purchased to be carried. That would be used in a scenario to commit a crime and likely get rid of. A weapon without serial numbers is likely a 2 year mandatory sentence. This would likely limit the criminal to carrying it only in the commission of a crime. I think that is the misconception. I believe most people that have illegal weapons will not carry them on their person... and most people with LEGAL weapons and without a cpl will not carry that weapon as well.


Now this seedy individual can carry a weapon 24/7 legally if he hasn't been guilty of any felonies.. And hide his legal weapon during illegal activities and begin carrying after his offense. LEGALLY carry a weapon. With all of the issues cops get during traffic stops this just adds to it 10000 percent. There is a lot of people that fall under the "never been convicted - small time criminal" that could potentially legally carry a weapon now... and refuse ID when the cop pulls him over...


Again I understand everyone can do what they want now. No one is watching anyone leave the house. But coming from a 29 year old - who lived in the "hood" with no parental influences. Just my point of view and concerns. Again a lot of this has prejudice to the city of Detroit. if you haven't lived it I can't expect your views to be the same.



But I will say.. my truck has 500 124gr HP 9mm with my ar9 pistol and glock sidearm wherever I go. And will not change
 
Maybe I am "wrong" but I am just voicing my views and concerns from my walk in life. But I am pretty sure there is no "wrong" or "right" when voicing an opinion
 
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