So, Volkswagen is dead huh?

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News from the underground...

Moody's changes the outlook on VW Financial Services' and VW Bank's Aa3 long-term debt ratings to negative.

European Central Bank hits Volkswagen with ban on loans. Raises the prospect of the manufacturer being unable to borrow to fund sale and lease deals on new cars.
 
pferd said:
News from the underground...

Moody's changes the outlook on VW Financial Services' and VW Bank's Aa3 long-term debt ratings to negative.

European Central Bank hits Volkswagen with ban on loans. Raises the prospect of the manufacturer being unable to borrow to fund sale and lease deals on new cars.
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Whoa
 
4 cam tbird said:
Just like that, this will be water under the bridge in no time.
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pferd said:
News from the underground...

Moody's changes the outlook on VW Financial Services' and VW Bank's Aa3 long-term debt ratings to negative.

European Central Bank hits Volkswagen with ban on loans. Raises the prospect of the manufacturer being unable to borrow to fund sale and lease deals on new cars.
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Makes one wonder which way this will go for VW?
Only time & history will tell this story & fate.
 
To survive the fall of the Third Reich only to be brought down by a bunch of tree-hugging environmentalist hippies...what a story!
 
4 cam tbird said:
This would be better if it showed the car sitting in front of a coal power plant
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Or hydro, nuclear, solar, or wind powered.

Why can't anyone be happy about electric cars that can compete with their petrol powered equivalent. Someone always has to try to knock them down. I just don't get the negativity towards electrics and hybrids.
 
RBOD said:
Or hydro, nuclear, solar, or wind powered.

Why can't anyone be happy about electric cars that can compete with their petrol powered equivalent. Someone always has to try to knock them down. I just don't get the negativity towards electrics and hybrids.
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I think its more of the negativity towards the people who think that electric/hybrid cars produce zero waste. Im all for technology but I think that its a game of shells with statements about how "clean/green" a new car is. If I save the earth by limiting my tailpipe emission X amount of PPM/year that's great. But if my car saves x amount PPM/yr and the manufacturing process/ materials used to build it create more then am I really creating a greener planet? Now you can also factor in the extra X amount of PPM/energy spent to supply power to my house to plug my car in.

Its the same scenario as stating that you spend $xx.xx less per month in gasoline because you bought an electric vehicle when people don't factor in the $xx.xx amount per month extra they spend on their home electricity bill.
 
I can sort of see that argument, but if we look at them as a step in the right direction, maybe we can implement more clean energy to power these vehicles (like Elon Musk is trying to do). Fossil fuels didn't really exist before the automobile. Why not change the game again.

Another beef (pun intended) I have is people that complain about coal plants yet eat meat, which has twice the impact as fossil fuel burning.
 
RBOD said:
I can sort of see that argument, but if we look at them as a step in the right direction, maybe we can implement more clean energy to power these vehicles (like Elon Musk is trying to do). Fossil fuels didn't really exist before the automobile. Why not change the game again.

Another beef (pun intended) I have is people that complain about coal plants yet eat meat, which has twice the impact as fossil fuel burning.
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I think any step towards unwanted waste is a good step. I would prefer that energy savings actually translated into money savings for the consumer.

Care to elaborate on the beef comment? Seems interesting.
 
I was just saying that a coal fired power plant in the background goes along with the cheating emissions thing. That's all. The Tesla is a sweet car, I dig it. It was a joke. I worry about what happens to the grid if we get electric cars to the point of widespread usage but we are a ways from that point.
 
Germany has Given VW 10 days to come up with a solution or they will ban the 2.8 million cars in their countrys roads
Switzerland has already banned affected cars from being sold, new or used (so if you are a private owner the car is a doorstop)


Im calling it now this is going to be the largest buy back ever pretty much every TDI affected will be bought back


heres the smoking gun

http://europe.autonews.com/article/...legal-software-use-in-diesel-cars-report-says
 
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moneypit said:
Germany has Given VW 10 days to come up with a solution or they will ban the 2.8 million cars in their countrys roads
Switzerland has already banned affected cars from being sold, new or used (so if you are a private owner the car is a doorstop)


Im calling it now this is going to be the largest buy back ever pretty much every TDI affected will be bought back


heres the smoking gun

http://europe.autonews.com/article/...legal-software-use-in-diesel-cars-report-says
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:shocked:
 
11 million cars x300 euro to do it right or 337.00 dollars per car at todays exchange rate

thats 3,708,760,000 dollars they "saved" they lost that in stock value in minutes the other day, (porsche alone lost 10 Billion)

reports say the only way to fix the cars is to add a urea system and that would require the cars to be re test crashed
 
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Sign then drive your TDI back to the dealer and pick up your new TDI trade-in with UREA.

I am having a hard time even figuring out the logistics in repairing/replacing all of those vehicles in the time allotted above.
 
moneypit said:
reports say the only way to fix the cars is to add a urea system and that would require the cars to be re test crashed
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if it impedes (any negative impacts) performance, reliability, or inconveniences the owner of that car in anyway than how it was initially sold, the oem better have a plan B.
 
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