So, Volkswagen is dead huh?

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The premise that if VW was doing it everyone must be doing it is incredibly flawed when that VW engine was one of very few, if not the only, diesel engine getting by without running DEF. It was a mystery how it got by without DEF and it is a mystery no longer, they cheated so it really didn't. Any further investigation should start and end with any other engines passing without DEF.
 
BigWheelinBubba said:
GM paid the feds 900 million to buy their way out of the ignition switch deal that actually killed people.
How much worse off can VW be having not killed anyone? :dontknow:
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Except you're forgetting that the far left will argue that the extra emissions that the TDI put out heavily contributed to the respiratory fatalities of people living in LA/Cali.

GM made an innocent mistake and then absolutely, wrongfully covered it up.
VM knew the test parameters & intentionally gamed the system from the start, all while marketing their clean diesel tech worldwide.
 
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Killjoy said:
:icon_roll How many people do you personally know that are employed by the US Big 3? How many employed by Toy?

Lions not sheep.
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This would depend which state you live in.
In Michigan, I have a few friends who work
for Toyota, most work for "the big three".

In other states (other than Michigan) you
would have plenty of friends who work for
Honda Of North America, Toyota of North
America, VW, Subaru etc.

The US is a lot bigger than just Michigan.

When my wife worked for Mazda (here in Michigan)
we bought & drove Mazda's.

What is more American, buying a car that is designed,
built & sold in the US or buying an import from one of
"the big three"?
 
very well said...

4Gas$ said:
This would depend which state you live in.
In Michigan, I have a few friends who work
for Toyota, most work for "the big three".

In other states (other than Michigan) you
would have plenty of friends who work for
Honda Of North America, Toyota of North
America, VW, Subaru etc.

The US is a lot bigger than just Michigan.

When my wife worked for Mazda (here in Michigan)
we bought & drove Mazda's.

What is more American, buying a car that is designed,
built & sold in the US or buying an import from one of
"the big three"?
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My wife grew up in Kentucky, her family drove Toyota vehicles while living there. Toyota was a big part of their economy.
 
support what supports you. I grew up liking GM worked at a buick dealer for a while drove a buick. My mom got in at Chrysler, so when it came time for me to buy a new car, bought 2 FCA products Chrysler 300 and Jeep GC. Maybe if i could get a 20% discount off car i might have bought one from them. Being able to get a employee discount and other incentives sure did sway me a certain way. But at the end of the day i try to support whoever is employing myself or direct family member. For the last 8 years ive been working for a couple different auto suppliers from Japanese, Korean and American, the "forgein" companies were by far the better ones to work for. I know for a fact when you start getting toward certain areas where factories or R&D centers are located you see the products from that manufacturer. Drive around Raymond OH you'll see more honda civic and ridgelines then anything else because the honda R&D center is one of the biggest things around there. A majority of people like to support who or what they work for, while others strictly think with there pocket books and they rest by whatever they like or what someone told them to like.
 
The point was the idea of buy American...that doesn't really apply anymore in the automotive industry.

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4Gas$ said:
The US is a lot bigger than just Michigan.
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GM alone employs 2.5x more Americans than Toyota, despite being a smaller company.
GM alone employs more Americans than Toyota, Honda and Nissan combined.
GM, Ford & Chrysler employ 2.5x+ more Americans than Toyota, Nissan and Honda.

If you or your family work for them, fine, I can see driving what you build. No doubt. But it's kind of ironic that people on a site called Motown Muscle, with Ford & GM products shown in their avatar & signature line, are in such love with the rice burners.

The Man said:
The point was the idea of buy American...that doesn't really apply anymore in the automotive industry.
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Why?
 
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