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Fryguy302 said:
I don't know anything about your first issue, but without knowing anything about it, I would find it hard to believe a faulty piston design was the cause of a broken motor with this type of a fairly mild build. Especially if you didn't change anything except to repair the engine.



I agree that it looks like pre-ignition and not necessarily a lean condition. I've been to this party before :)

What fuel do you run in this car?
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110 turbo blue

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1BadSn95 said:
You knew the car was only tuned for 18-20 psi before it even left lids shop. You were also talking back and forth with Greg as it was tuned. If you werent happy with the 10.8 AF and 17* of timing why did you take it from lidios hands? And if you really werent confident in the tune why did you take it to the track?
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The car should have been tuned all the way through the boost it could have made, but like others its in and out the door there, make that quick buck and leave. i asked for it to be tuned more, make some more pulls but i was told enough time was spent on it and called it a wrap after 3-4 pulls. there is a lot more to everything when u start dealing with cars like this, it isnt your average 500hp blower car, it should be treated like a race car, n if it cant be handled then tell me to go else where. my point is if the tuner has any concern it could spike, then wouldnt u tune through the spike, isnt that what im paying for is a complete tune? not a half tune?
 
jtcstrat said:
The car should have been tuned all the way through the boost it could have made, but like others its in and out the door there, make that quick buck and leave. i asked for it to be tuned more, make some more pulls but i was told enough time was spent on it and called it a wrap after 3-4 pulls. there is a lot more to everything when u start dealing with cars like this, it isnt your average 500hp blower car, it should be treated like a race car, n if it cant be handled then tell me to go else where. my point is if the tuner has any concern it could spike, then wouldnt u tune through the spike, isnt that what im paying for is a complete tune? not a half tune?
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What spike are you talking about?
 
jtcstrat said:
The car should have been tuned all the way through the boost it could have made, but like others its in and out the door there, make that quick buck and leave. i asked for it to be tuned more, make some more pulls but i was told enough time was spent on it and called it a wrap after 3-4 pulls. there is a lot more to everything when u start dealing with cars like this, it isnt your average 500hp blower car, it should be treated like a race car, n if it cant be handled then tell me to go else where. my point is if the tuner has any concern it could spike, then wouldnt u tune through the spike, isnt that what im paying for is a complete tune? not a half tune?
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Jon your my friend and I wanna remain friends with you. But holy shit are you serious? I talked to you on your way home, you were completely okay with only 18-20 psi due to the fact that you said you were going to be changing somethings this winter so you were gonna need the tune touched up again and you didnt wanna set the world on fire, just drive the car for the rest of the year. Odviously Lidio is a friend of mine and so are you but I dont think its right to point fingures when you have no data log to show boost and fuel pressure. You had both boost spiking issues and fuel pressure issues. Like i said, im sorry to see your luck go this way again but cutting down the tuner right off the bat isnt the right way to go about it.
 
jtcstrat said:
it isnt your average 500hp blower car, it should be treated like a race car, n if it cant be handled then tell me to go else where. my point is if the tuner has any concern it could spike, then wouldnt u tune through the spike, isnt that what im paying for is a complete tune? not a half tune?
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Honestly, it's pretty easy to put "safe" values in the areas where you don't necessarily take the car on the dyno. That takes about 30 seconds, and it was probably done on your car. Before you make a statement like that, you should probably have the tune looked at by another party, because there's a good chance there is nothing wrong with the numbers. You can't expect them to run max boost on the car just to see what happens.

Unfortunately this stuff happens with high powered cars, that's why they are such a bitch. If it was easy, everyone would have one. I think if you don't trust the tune, you should have someone else just take a look at it and see what they think. I've seen ignition issues, fuel issues, plumbing issues, and all kinds of other things cause pre-ignition and broken parts. It can be a real pain in the ass to figure out.
 
1BadSn95 said:
Jon your my friend and I wanna remain friends with you. But holy shit are you serious? I talked to you on your way home, you were completely okay with only 18-20 psi due to the fact that you said you were going to be changing somethings this winter so you were gonna need the tune touched up again and you didnt wanna set the world on fire, just drive the car for the rest of the year. Odviously Lidio is a friend of mine and so are you but I dont think its right to point fingures when you have no data log to show boost and fuel pressure. You had both boost spiking issues and fuel pressure issues. Like i said, im sorry to see your luck go this way again but cutting down the tuner right off the bat isnt the right way to go about it.
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I have not said once it was all the tune, ive talked to other very experienced people that are pointing me there. cars like mine take time to tune, its not a quick job. i left that shop and ask anyone who i talked to i was happy what the car made on 18lbs but i wasnt happy with how i was treated, in and out the door, and if the tuner had any concerns about the tune and or spike it should have been taking care of then or told about it before i leave the shop. i even told u i was not happy about the a/f, the whole experience. Im not cutting anyone down, im pointing out what i see and what i went through. if the car spiked on him on the dyno, even tho i believe it was due to the new intake and the boot controller set to the old intake it should have been tuned through that. this shouldnt have been an issue.
 
Fryguy302 said:
Honestly, it's pretty easy to put "safe" values in the areas where you don't necessarily take the car on the dyno. That takes about 30 seconds, and it was probably done on your car. Before you make a statement like that, you should probably have the tune looked at by another party, because there's a good chance there is nothing wrong with the numbers. You can't expect them to run max boost on the car just to see what happens.

Unfortunately this stuff happens with high powered cars, that's why they are such a bitch. If it was easy, everyone would have one. I think if you don't trust the tune, you should have someone else just take a look at it and see what they think. I've seen ignition issues, fuel issues, plumbing issues, and all kinds of other things cause pre-ignition and broken parts. It can be a real pain in the ass to figure out.
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it spiked with the new intake, then never happened again once we turned the controller down. n i figured if it was a unsure thing, it would have been tuned for it, the motor was built to handle 28lbs that it spiked to
 
i mean there might be a reason why a hand full or more other cars burnt down there this year also, including yours jamie.
 
jtcstrat said:
it would have been tuned for it, the motor was built to handle 28lbs that it spiked to
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Most don't run 28psi with a small air/air cooler and only 110 octane fuel. Just sayin. Not saying it can't be done, just saying if you're out to make 28psi on a V8, that's not normally what you'd do.
 
this thing was built to handle some serious boost. i made sure of it. but in the end this isnt going newhere. i will do it again with a FAST this time to avoid all this. we can point all day but my first post never was directed at the tuner only.
 
jtcstrat said:
Forget it eric, waking up to hear from others ur childish fb status as a stab at me is what got me going, you are lying through your teeth, i dont know the hangups on your car because i didnt really give a shit about them. and i know u cut corners so im not gonna get involved when i have gave my opinion n u choose the other way. ur still at it because of other personal issues we can leave aside, im still at it also arent i? and yes ive turned every nut and bolt on this car, you are outta ur mind. some things i asked for help on but most i have learned from good friends and done myself with or with out help, and i never stated i know it all either. this is why i was looking for advice cuz im at a loss. You are rite, i wouldnt want nething to do with you, there isd a reason why none of us talk to you nemore.
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I'm not lying through my teeth... the facts are all out in the open about why I think what you did was shitty. Who built the kit, Jon? Did you turn all the wrenches on that? I know who did and it certainly wasn't you. I'm fine with losing some fair weather friends, especially when they show true colors and you realize you shouldn't be associated with them anyway.

jtcstrat said:
The car should have been tuned all the way through the boost it could have made, but like others its in and out the door there, make that quick buck and leave. i asked for it to be tuned more, make some more pulls but i was told enough time was spent on it and called it a wrap after 3-4 pulls. there is a lot more to everything when u start dealing with cars like this, it isnt your average 500hp blower car, it should be treated like a race car, n if it cant be handled then tell me to go else where. my point is if the tuner has any concern it could spike, then wouldnt u tune through the spike, isnt that what im paying for is a complete tune? not a half tune?
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The car should've been tuned through the boost it could have made? That makes no sense, whatsoever... the tune will be worlds different at 20psi compared to 25psi, you can't tune for everything.

Fryguy302 said:
Honestly, it's pretty easy to put "safe" values in the areas where you don't necessarily take the car on the dyno. That takes about 30 seconds, and it was probably done on your car. Before you make a statement like that, you should probably have the tune looked at by another party, because there's a good chance there is nothing wrong with the numbers. You can't expect them to run max boost on the car just to see what happens.

Unfortunately this stuff happens with high powered cars, that's why they are such a bitch. If it was easy, everyone would have one. I think if you don't trust the tune, you should have someone else just take a look at it and see what they think. I've seen ignition issues, fuel issues, plumbing issues, and all kinds of other things cause pre-ignition and broken parts. It can be a real pain in the ass to figure out.
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Pointing fingers is just a quick way to place blame. It hurts reputation but makes people feel better about themselves. I fully agree though, facts need to come to light instead of blind speculation.
 
At this point I would point my finger not at the tune up but more at a mechanical failure. i.e. Fuel system and or Boost controller. You've had issues with both on the dyno correct? There is a big difference between a tuning session and a 1/4 mile pass. First being the tuner is watching your a/f, spark, boost on the dyno.. all Three are very important to the life of your engine.. But outside of this shop The only thing the tuner can be responsible for is the spark. If your boost controller fails, a fuel filter is plugged, one of three fuel pumps fail, you get a tank of shitty gas, etc... anyone of these things can cause catastrophic failure and the turner has no control over them. Second You say why wasn't the car tuned for a boost spike? dude you have factory electronics on the car not a miracle worker! if your car makes 30 p.s.i. you have this sensor called a mass air meter it's going to freak the fuck out.. also there is no wide band.. If the car accidently makes 30 pounds and was tuned for 20 how does the factory computer compensate? simple. It cant.. So you have a a/f set at 10.8:1 at 20psi what do you think its going to do with a shit ton more air coming into the motor? go dangerously lean and melt shit. or if you have a a/f of 10.8:1 with 60+psi of fuel pressure at w.o.t. whats do you think is going to happen if the injector only gets 15 psi? simple right. Do your home work and dont drag the tuner into this mess until your 100% it's his fault and not some fucked up mechanical failure they had no control over! just my .02 :)
 
jtcstrat said:
this thing was built to handle some serious boost. i made sure of it.
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Not sure what you mean by this. I had a bullet proof engine making around 1280hp, but when the boost controller failed and the gate closed, it literally broke the TFS cylinder heads into pieces. Detonation will break *any* engine, and it's not reasonable to say that once a car is tuned, it should never detonate at any boost level/rpm no matter what else is going on under the hood.

All I'm saying is to take some time to figure it out, don't just blame it on the tune. If you do, you may build yet another engine and end up back in the same place again.
 
Damn Jon, that car is snake bit. Sorry to hear about your luck. Jr. said the car felt like a beast when he drove it.
 
Fryguy302 said:
Not sure what you mean by this. I had a bullet proof engine making around 1280hp, but when the boost controller failed and the gate closed, it literally broke the TFS cylinder heads into pieces. Detonation will break *any* engine, and it's not reasonable to say that once a car is tuned, it should never detonate at any boost level/rpm no matter what else is going on under the hood.

All I'm saying is to take some time to figure it out, don't just blame it on the tune. If you do, you may build yet another engine and end up back in the same place again.
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