ford to offer buyouts to 75k workers
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DBK
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QUASAR said:
No doubt. The morons in the early 90's were very short sighted. Then the Nasser era plunged the company into the shitstorm even worse. Combine the uh, "miscalculations" of the decision makers with the huge confluence of shitty events (nasty raw material costs, oil prices, Firestone debacle, 9/11, the lump of shit Jaguar has been, the long and continuing J Mays era) and here we are.
I blame the management for making stupid deals with the union while riding the wave of improving market share back then; I don't blame them for alot of union workers being lazy fucks who would rather put the company out of business to spite it than make concessions...
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CableGuy
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I hate union becasue it keeps stupd fucking lazy people working that dont deserve a job.
But I do have to say w/o unions in todays world there are going to be A LOT of problems. Big business will just gt bigger while we the people get smaller. ($$)
At this rate in 20 or 30 years we will be like Romans.... Your either rich or poor, no middle class.
But I do have to say w/o unions in todays world there are going to be A LOT of problems. Big business will just gt bigger while we the people get smaller. ($$)
At this rate in 20 or 30 years we will be like Romans.... Your either rich or poor, no middle class.
Roadrage
Easily Irritated
CableGuy said:A couple bolts? Ummmm ok.ow:
Now skilled trades which do less work, but when they do work, it requires well... skill.
Who are you trying to kid. the average assembly line worker doesnt do anything backbreaking. My father was a Chrysler line worker, I spent a lot of time watching the line when I was younger. Even then, they didnt have to work too damn hard, and they have made the line EASIER since then.
QUASAR
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Roadrage said:
Mine too. But sounds like a very different outcome. He has been retired for ~10 years and has enjoyed zero of those years due to the splendid process engineering of the assembly line in the 70's and 80's. Yea maybe the newer guys got it easier, but that does little to console his falling apart body. And ne never made as much as these guys are making today, otherwise I wouldn't have had to go to community college. :bored:
I can agree it has gotten out of hand as of late.
DBK
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CableGuy said:
Difference is you can teach anyone to do what most line guys do in a relatively short period of time. Auto workers admit as much by switching classifications and moving on to different jobs in short amounts of time. You certainly can't do the same with an accountant, legal analyst, engineer. A CPA can't say I'm going to be an engineer in 3 months etc. And often times they are paid the same. And if they aren't paid the same strictly on wages, the difference is made up in benefits.
CableGuy
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I personally worked on a assembly line, no its wasnt union but it was supporting SHAP, a union plant so we were only in need when they were producing.
It was NOT a easy job. It was a assembly line consisting of about 30 stations. All of them pretty hard but a few were easy. If the line stoped the supv knows exactly where and he will come bitch.
Also ton of things can go wrong. Bolt breaking, stripping, cross threading, gun mis-function.
I was working on a rear end assembly for a FWD car and all of the parts were 90+ ft lbs up to about 150. Most were 2 to 8 bolts that had to be torqued. Try standing for eight hours, holding a 25-30lb electric torque gun for 8 hours and holding on for 500-2000 torques a day, REAL easy.
Im sure there are some realy easy jobs on the line and others that are hard but its def not a "easy" job.
But this convo could be the same for truck drivers...."Ohhhh how hard is it to drive??? I mean its just driving...". Unions are here for a reason, and we should FIGHT and boycott to keep them.
It was NOT a easy job. It was a assembly line consisting of about 30 stations. All of them pretty hard but a few were easy. If the line stoped the supv knows exactly where and he will come bitch.
Also ton of things can go wrong. Bolt breaking, stripping, cross threading, gun mis-function.
I was working on a rear end assembly for a FWD car and all of the parts were 90+ ft lbs up to about 150. Most were 2 to 8 bolts that had to be torqued. Try standing for eight hours, holding a 25-30lb electric torque gun for 8 hours and holding on for 500-2000 torques a day, REAL easy.
Im sure there are some realy easy jobs on the line and others that are hard but its def not a "easy" job.
But this convo could be the same for truck drivers...."Ohhhh how hard is it to drive??? I mean its just driving...". Unions are here for a reason, and we should FIGHT and boycott to keep them.
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DBK
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Nobody would dispute that some line jobs are a huge pain in the ass and repetitive/uncomfortable/taxing, but you could still teach pretty much anyone to do them. It's the reason brain surgeons usually make more than accountants, as their (and society's) investment in their "skill" is considerably higher...
SSunset
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Hourly buyouts:
http://web.wxyz.com/extras/060914uawford.pdf
http://web.wxyz.com/extras/060914uawford.pdf
