Ford announces hybrid Mustang by 2020....

gub said:
RIP mustang 1964 1/2 -2014
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I wouldn't discount it yet. Have you seen what Tesla is doing with a simple reprogramming? They open sourced a lot of their tech, so I can something similar coming from the US automakers. Sure, it may not make those engine noises we've all grown to love, but I believe Ford can do good things with the tech at their disposal.
 
Tin said:
I wouldn't discount it yet. Have you seen what Tesla is doing with a simple reprogramming? They open sourced a lot of their tech, so I can something similar coming from the US automakers. Sure, it may not make those engine noises we've all grown to love, but I believe Ford can do good things with the tech at their disposal.
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when tesla makes a profit let me know
 
2025 CAFE standards are at play here. All OEM's are producing hybrids vehicles including typical performance only OEM's such as Porsche, Ferrari, McLaren, and so on. I'm the biggest fan of the internal combustion engine but times are changing. Think about it, the F150 is now an aluminum bodied, V6 turbo and still out sells every other pick up in the world.
 
I figured Ford wouldn't be crazy enough to do that after what they learned on Lincoln. Same price for hybrid or non? Still nobody buying them.

-Geoff
 
WhiteHawk said:
I figured Ford wouldn't be crazy enough to do that after what they learned on Lincoln. Same price for hybrid or non? Still nobody buying them.

-Geoff
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That is the problem. The Federal regulations have a super steep CAFE upward average coming within the next couple years. There is an industry meeting with the govt coming up to reassess the mandates for the standards. They will be discussing market trends/ consumer wants/ vs. what the govt requires.

Since fuel prices have been fairly low (in relation to this time last year) people are still buying trucks and SUVs not worrying too much about MPGs. At $4-5 a gallon you get more people considering trading in a truck for a car or CUV for the extra couple MPGs they might gain. The next couple years of CAFE standards are really going to start shaping our market and what is available if the standards dont change.
 
The "Today" isn't actually today. So we're actually half way up that steeper climb. I get your point though. It seems like the auto industry in general has done a good job at maximizing efficiency on existing products (namely their various internal combustion engines) with the standard stuff (direct injection, turbo's, etc.) but at some point they're going to have to make much bigger changes to keep that trend.
 
RyeLou said:
Curious what your definition of "stable" would be if you're calling out both of those companies.
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I've never had any of my Linux boxes crash on me in the 15 or so years I've been running it. That's everything from Raspberry Pis, to desktops, to virtual machine hosts. My NAS has been running the same rolling release of Debian for the last 9 years without issue. It has been powered on 24/7 365 that entire time, the only times it was powered down were during power outages or hardware upgrades. I've since migrated my brother and my girlfriend over to Linux, neither of them are having issues. My girlfriend has been running Debian for 6 years now, I haven't had to touch her computer aside from replacing the power supply recently. I've had Windows crash more times than I can count during that period, which includes 98, 2000, XP, Vista, 7, and 8.1.

As for Mac OS, I went and installed a new router at my friend's the other day, kept the same credentials as the old one. I go to reconnect his Mac Mini and got a kernel panic when connecting to the new access point. I check the logs and didn't see anything out of the ordinary, and according to Apple, the solution was to reinstall the OS or restore from a backup. Luckily he had a Time Machine backup and was able to restore, but that shouldn't happen for something as trivial as connecting to a new access point.
 
Tin said:
I've never had any of my Linux boxes crash on me in the 15 or so years I've been running it. That's everything from Raspberry Pis, to desktops, to virtual machine hosts. My NAS has been running the same rolling release of Debian for the last 9 years without issue. It has been powered on 24/7 365 that entire time, the only times it was powered down were during power outages or hardware upgrades. I've since migrated my brother and my girlfriend over to Linux, neither of them are having issues. My girlfriend has been running Debian for 6 years now, I haven't had to touch her computer aside from replacing the power supply recently. I've had Windows crash more times than I can count during that period, which includes 98, 2000, XP, Vista, 7, and 8.1.

As for Mac OS, I went and installed a new router at my friend's the other day, kept the same credentials as the old one. I go to reconnect his Mac Mini and got a kernel panic when connecting to the new access point. I check the logs and didn't see anything out of the ordinary, and according to Apple, the solution was to reinstall the OS or restore from a backup. Luckily he had a Time Machine backup and was able to restore, but that shouldn't happen for something as trivial as connecting to a new access point.
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I suppose I opened myself up to that. For 99.9% of people Windows or Apple is the way to go. Apple is easy to deal with because they keep their pretty walled garden in tact, for the most part. Windows opens things up a lot more with allowing just about anyone or anything to play with their back end (haha!) services if the 3rd party can come up with a driver that works well enough with their hardware or if someone can put together software that people like. At a very basic level though, unless you have a "Tin" to support you with your Linux needs, Windows and Apple operating systems work for just about everyone's needs.

tldr; I don't disagree with you. I set myself up for failure with my question.
 
RyeLou said:
I suppose I opened myself up to that. For 99.9% of people Windows or Apple is the way to go. Apple is easy to deal with because they keep their pretty walled garden in tact, for the most part. Windows opens things up a lot more with allowing just about anyone or anything to play with their back end (haha!) services if the 3rd party can come up with a driver that works well enough with their hardware or if someone can put together software that people like. At a very basic level though, unless you have a "Tin" to support you with your Linux needs, Windows and Apple operating systems work for just about everyone's needs.

tldr; I don't disagree with you. I set myself up for failure with my question.
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That's the thing, I got tired of diagnosing and repairing Windows issues, so I threw on a Linux distro and never had to worry about it again. Most people out there just use a computer to surf the web or transfer files to and from their phone, so something with a robust security model, near instant security patches, and ability to run on minimal hardware is a great tool for the job. When most of my family ran Windows, I was fixing things on a regular basis. It saved me a ton of frustration.
 
Tin said:
That's the thing, I got tired of diagnosing and repairing Windows issues, so I threw on a Linux distro and never had to worry about it again. Most people out there just use a computer to surf the web or transfer files to and from their phone, so something with a robust security model, near instant security patches, and ability to run on minimal hardware is a great tool for the job. When most of my family ran Windows, I was fixing things on a regular basis. It saved me a ton of frustration.
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I haven't had a lot of major issues with Windows, especially with Windows 7. XP wasn't quite as good but wasn't the end of the world...nothing I couldn't figure out for myself or family/friends anyhow. I personally don't have a major issue with 10 and their updates (so far) but I'm the only one in my family who uses it, and I use it on a comptuer I strictly use for video games, so the usage is very limited. And I've had literally no problems with any of the MacBooks we've had, either. I'm not nearly techy enough (or have a need according to what I just said) to try Linux. I've played around on one Raspberry Pi and am itching for another project for one, but I can't figure out what I want to make. I've been meaning to start researching kids games you can set up on them so my son can hammer on a keyboard.
 
RyeLou said:
I haven't had a lot of major issues with Windows, especially with Windows 7. XP wasn't quite as good but wasn't the end of the world...nothing I couldn't figure out for myself or family/friends anyhow. I personally don't have a major issue with 10 and their updates (so far) but I'm the only one in my family who uses it, and I use it on a comptuer I strictly use for video games, so the usage is very limited. And I've had literally no problems with any of the MacBooks we've had, either. I'm not nearly techy enough (or have a need according to what I just said) to try Linux. I've played around on one Raspberry Pi and am itching for another project for one, but I can't figure out what I want to make. I've been meaning to start researching kids games you can set up on them so my son can hammer on a keyboard.
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I still use Windows, but only for games and the off chance I need to use a piece of software with no open source alternative. Linux isn't nearly as difficult as it used to be. All hardware drivers are in the kernel, so there is no installation of device drivers required after installing the OS. It's literally as simple as writing it to a CD/USB key, installing, and going about your business. The hardest part for most to pick up is the directory structure, since they've been used to Windows user space for quite awhile. The directory structure of Linux is very similar to Mac OS, as both are Unix based.
 
have you seen hacking xmas lights using a Pi? or a powered etch-a-sketch ? so many cool little projects out there!
 
OnyxSSS said:
have you seen hacking xmas lights using a Pi? or a powered etch-a-sketch ? so many cool little projects out there!
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There's a lot of stuff you can do. Home automation, autonomous drones, surveillance systems, you name it. That's what I love about open source hardware and software, no companies limiting it's usage and capabilities, just your imagination.
 
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