fitness people- who is still making progress?

[PaxNovi 5.0]

"Results:
According to your height of 5' 8" your ideal healthy weight is 147 pounds. Your recommended weight range is between 131 and 164 pounds.

This was calculated using Hamwi formula, a simple formula commonly used by many clinicians.

These are recommended weights. Talk with your doctor about what weight is best for you and before undertaking any new diet or exercise programs."

To say it is light for most males may be true, but each individual is so vastly different that I don't think if a person is 5'8 and 135 they are automatically light. He looks very healthy in his pics and carries the weight like an average guy I'd say.

Again, you snubbed your own argument here with your Ronnie Coleman example. Nowhere did I say 135 lbs was automatically light. And again, since I kept saying "most," you even hinted toward agreeing. A no no in debate.

 

[PaxNovi 5.0]

There are a couple other posts I could point out, but I don't feel the want nor need to spend anymore time on this.

 

[raroz28]

Again, you snubbed your own argument here with your Ronnie Coleman example. Nowhere did I say 135 lbs was automatically light. And again, since I kept saying "most," you even hinted toward agreeing. A no no in debate.

No you are wrong again. I never snubbed my argument, but judging by your replies, you are not going to comprehend why I have no snubbed my own argument. The key word here is "most." Not all. "Most." Here is your original statement that I have been debating the entire time.

135 lbs is awful light for 5'8" in my opinion. I think if you just started lifting 3-4 days a week, it would take care of the areas you want addressed, and fill you out at the same time. Plus, you'll be able to consume more calories! Seems win-win to me!

To which I replied that 5'8 135 may be light in many cases, but not all.

 

[raroz28]

Again, you are incorrect. You've tap danced around all of my arguments. You've just tried to argue your way out of everything by assuming, and not comprehending what's been put before you.

Would you like me to do Primary and Secondary Research, all from credible sources, to prove the majority of modern 5'8" males weighing 135 lbs are considered to be light? I have the power and ability to do so. I just don't have the time, and the results are just going to be what the rest of us have already said.

I've addressed, countered, and sunk every argument you've presented. I did so all in an intelligent manner. When the cards didn't flop your way, you started to get an attitude. I, as well as Superstang, have also offered a solution, which you pretty much have done none of the sort. Also, everyone so far has been in agreeance, with myself, with exception to you.

You would never survive a debate, or health class. You'd be the guy trying to correct the instructor. And since you like to assume everything, no I'm not comparing myself to an all knowing instructor, because I am not. I do know a little bit about this health deal, just enough to get me by. I am also open to advice and thoughts from others. Which apparently you are not.

I have not tap danced around any argument. I have made a strong argument that 135 is not too thin for a person who is 5'8. While it may be in many cases, it is not in all cases.

What you have done is typed out a long drawn out response in an attempt to sound more credible, but your substance is weak. You have not sunk any argument, and are still of the opinion that 135 is too light for a person who is 5'8 and nothing else. I am not arguing any other point. Superstang is irrelevant because he came in without even knowing Lucky's goals, and was under the impression that he wanted to gain and put on muscle in the gym, which Lucky stated specifically he didn't have a lot of interest in doing.

I have survived very well in debate, just as I have here. I do not correct my instructors. What you have done is committed fallacy after fallacy from trying to strengthen your argument because others agree with you (a common fallacy) and now you are putting out false assumptions about me, such as I would argue with an instructor, which is another fallacy (attacking the arguer personally and not attacking his argument). What has happened here is you have failed to support your argument and have instead let your original argument spiral out of control to where it is lost in fallacy land and the debate isn't even near it.

And as always, I am open to learning and am learning new things about working out, and nutrition everyday, but none of which I have learned from you. All I have learned about you is that you believe there is a particular weight that a person should weigh given their height, and that I disagree with and have made plenty of strong arguments to support that with various examples.

If you can not comprehend that every individual is vastly different and there is not a standard of weight/height ratio, then there is no use in talking to you.

I am fairly certain that any philosophy major or instructor would agree, but they would not be shocked because people such as yourself who do not know how to debate commit the common fallacy's that you have committed here quite often.

 

[PaxNovi 5.0]

I have not tap danced around any argument. I have made a strong argument that 135 is not too thin for a person who is 5'8. While it may be in many cases, it is not in all cases.

What you have done is typed out a long drawn out response in an attempt to sound more credible, but your substance is weak. You have not sunk any argument, and are still of the opinion that 135 is too light for a person who is 5'8 and nothing else. I am not arguing any other point. Superstang is irrelevant because he came in without even knowing Lucky's goals, and was under the impression that he wanted to gain and put on muscle in the gym, which Lucky stated specifically he didn't have a lot of interest in doing.

I have survived very well in debate, just as I have here. I do not correct my instructors. What you have done is committed fallacy after fallacy from trying to strengthen your argument because others agree with you (a common fallacy) and now you are putting out false assumptions about me, such as I would argue with an instructor, which is another fallacy (attacking the arguer personally and not attacking his argument). What has happened here is you have failed to support your argument and have instead let your original argument spiral out of control to where it is lost in fallacy land and the debate isn't even near it.

And as always, I am open to learning and am learning new things about working out, and nutrition everyday, but none of which I have learned from you. All I have learned about you is that you believe there is a particular weight that a person should weigh given their height, and that I disagree with and have made plenty of strong arguments to support that with various examples.

If you can not comprehend that every individual is vastly different and there is not a standard of weight/height ratio, then there is no use in talking to you.

I am fairly certain that any philosophy major or instructor would agree, but they would not be shocked because people such as yourself who do not know how to debate commit the common fallacy's that you have committed here quite often.

You are comical at best! Your argument is weak. Your comprehension is even weaker. Your need to assume everything drives into further weakness. Fancy words don't strengthen the fact that you're tap dancing!

You know what, I am going to do primary and secondary research of my argument that a grown man at 5'8" and 135 lbs is considered light to most in this day and age. I will only cite credible sources, not based on 50 year old rhetoric. My evidence will bury this argument, as it already has.

Soon as I'm on vacation in the next week, the research will be well underway.

 

[bsnub]

Man some of you guys are like fighting with a girl friend.....135 for a man is light....and with no muscle mass....even worse...work out and eat the rite foods u will get good results that you are looking for..

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[PaxNovi 5.0]

Man some of you guys are like fighting with a girl friend.....135 for a man is light....and with no muscle mass....even worse...work out and eat the rite foods u will get good results that you are looking for..

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My point, short, sweet and simple! I fully agree. I usually steer away from dick measuring contests on internet forums, but I guarantee you this one I won't be losing!

 

[raroz28]

You are comical at best! Your argument is weak. Your comprehension is even weaker. Your need to assume everything drives into further weakness. Fancy words don't strengthen the fact that you're tap dancing!

You know what, I am going to do primary and secondary research of my argument that a grown man at 5'8" and 135 lbs is considered light to most in this day and age. I will only cite credible sources, not based on 50 year old rhetoric. My evidence will bury this argument, as it already has.

Soon as I'm on vacation in the next week, the research will be well underway.

Now you are changing your argument. Now you are using the word "most" which changes everything. Initially you had said "135 is too light" and that was after seeing his picture in which a healthy and fit individual is shown.

I have not assumed anything. Good luck in your research. I'm sure you will find that the average weight of a 5'8 person will be much more than 135, as most American's are overweight.

It is your comprehension that is laughable. I do believe that you are beginning to come around and see where you have made mistakes, and that is why you are changing your argument and using words like "for most men" which isn't even relevant because we are talking about an individual in which the "norm" does not apply.

 

[CMYZ28]

Keep it on topic folks

 

[raroz28]

Man some of you guys are like fighting with a girl friend.....135 for a man is light....and with no muscle mass....even worse...work out and eat the rite foods u will get good results that you are looking for..

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The individual we are talking about is not looking to bulk. He was overweight at over 200 pounds and dropped down to 135 and is now looking to tone up his current body, not put on muscle mass and weight.

And Pax agrees with you, surprise, surprise. Pax, I hope that you realize that people who come into the thread in it's current state and are unaware of the details of what we're talking about that agree with you are not helping your case. It is irrelevant.

I think it's safe to say that most people would say "5'8 135 is too thin" but if that was the goal of the individual and it is healthy and carried well visually then it doesn't matter.

 

[PaxNovi 5.0]

Now you are changing your argument. Now you are using the word "most" which changes everything. Initially you had said "135 is too light" and that was after seeing his picture in which a healthy and fit individual is shown.

I have not assumed anything. Good luck in your research. I'm sure you will find that the average weight of a 5'8 person will be much more than 135, as most American's are overweight.

It is your comprehension that is laughable. I do believe that you are beginning to come around and see where you have made mistakes, and that is why you are changing your argument and using words like "for most men" which isn't even relevant because we are talking about an individual in which the "norm" does not apply.

All I'm going to say, is go back and count how many times I've said "most" or "in my opinion" across multiple posts from multiple days...

Keep it on topic folks

I apologize, Nick! I'm out for respect of you guys!

 

[bsnub]

Well if you want to "tone" up...don't u have to lift weights?? Pretty sure you don't just wake up in the morning tone from doing nothing...

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[raroz28]

Well if you want to "tone" up...don't u have to lift weights?? Pretty sure you don't just wake up in the morning tone from doing nothing...

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I would do calisthenics and cardio. Weight lifting can also tone you up, I do agree with that. That isn't what we were debating though.

 

[bsnub]

My point, short, sweet and simple! I fully agree. I usually steer away from dick measuring contests on internet forums, but I guarantee you this one I won't be losing!

Lol...well you can't argue with stupid....

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[bsnub]

I would do calisthenics and cardio. Weight lifting can also tone you up, I do agree with that. That isn't what we were debating though.

Yea do a lot of cardio....don't lift...maybe do some yoga and hopefully next summer he can weigh 120.... I like it

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[raroz28]

Yea do a lot of cardio....don't lift...maybe do some yoga and hopefully next summer he can weigh 120.... I like it

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What are you basing that on? Mike Tyson never did weight lifting, he only ever did boxing and calisthenics. This was his physique.

When he was in prison he began weight lifting and kept at it in his training with his new corner and this was his physique.

I agree, you can't argue stupid and there is quite a bit in this thread.

 

[bsnub]

And you really believe that? I just did a quick search online and the first one that came up said this.....
Daily Regimen (7 days a week): 5am: get up and go for a 3 mile jog 6am: come back home shower and go back to bed (great workout for those huge legs of his) 10am wake up: eat oatmeal 12pm: do ring work (10 rounds of sparring) 2pm: have another meal (steak and pasta with fruit juice drink) 3pm: more ring work and 60 mins on the exercise bike (again working those huge legs for endurance) 5pm: 2000 sit-ups; 500-800 dips; 500 press-ups; 500 shrugs with a 30kg barbell and 10 mins of neck exercises 7pm: steak and pasta meal again with fruit juice (orange i think it was) 8pm: another 30 minutes on the exercise bike then watch TV and then go to bed.:.............
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[raroz28]

And you really believe that? I just did a quick search online and the first one that came up said this.....
Daily Regimen (7 days a week): 5am: get up and go for a 3 mile jog 6am: come back home shower and go back to bed (great workout for those huge legs of his) 10am wake up: eat oatmeal 12pm: do ring work (10 rounds of sparring) 2pm: have another meal (steak and pasta with fruit juice drink) 3pm: more ring work and 60 mins on the exercise bike (again working those huge legs for endurance) 5pm: 2000 sit-ups; 500-800 dips; 500 press-ups; 500 shrugs with a 30kg barbell and 10 mins of neck exercises 7pm: steak and pasta meal again with fruit juice (orange i think it was) 8pm: another 30 minutes on the exercise bike then watch TV and then go to bed.:.............
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And you believe everything some guy wrote on the internet? Who wrote what you just posted?

Here is what Mike Tyson himself says, out of his own mouth, on film, at the absolute prime of his career. Go to 4:30 of the following video.
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"You don't do anything like that?"

"No, not at all. I don't get into weights. I just like to run, train, calisthenics, and box."

So who's mouth did your quote come from?

And any training montages of Tyson in his prime pre-prison you will not find him lifting weight. You will only find him near weights after he was washed up.

 

[Doctor]

all this pissing and moaning.. if you want to lose weight, squat. If you want to gain weight, squat. if you want to become a stronger person, squat. if you want to punch like tyson, squat. if you want to continue to be a pussy, go tanning, do some bicep curles, and bench press.

 

[bsnub]

all this pissing and moaning.. if you want to lose weight, squat. If you want to gain weight, squat. if you want to become a stronger person, squat. if you want to punch like tyson, squat. if you want to continue to be a pussy, go tanning, do some bicep curles, and bench press.

Lmao.......

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