Engine Combo Recomendations

Swifster said:
The blower is for EFI Mustang engines. It's similar to a Magnacharger/'03 Mustang Cobra. It works with the stock lower half of the factory intake and they have a version that works with the GT40 intake. Just my opinion, but I think it's a have your cake and eat it too modification because it'll drive just like her daily driver. I don't think you'll be pumping 800 HP with this blower. This is just a bolt-on mod that doesn't require heads, cams or a different intake.
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It's funny, whe we started looking for a driver, I thought that the first mod would be going for a FI mod but after having it, I really want to stay with the carb and learn it--it's all new to me. To be honest though, if we go to Fi and a blower is in the plans, then, a roots will find it's way under the hood. I really only want a fun summer cruiser that runs on pump gas, makes around 300 to the tires and make acceptable mileage (12-15 or better) on the highway with the AOD.
 
I would just do a 331 or 347 w/185 AFR's. Sould net 300rwhp w/very mild cam. Probably be cheapest way to go seeing as you already have engine/trans.

Oh and please don't bastardize that car w/a GM motor.

edit: I just noticed you were on a budget. Stock bottom end w/said heads and more aggressive cam should do the trick still. This is also a very good option http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_new/mc/power_package/tek_ford.shtml
 
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Can anyone with a 302 chime in and suggest a combo to run... its all he asked for.. haha

Also... Lidio could probably shed some light on what works well.

I'll pm Rod442. He has a street h/c 302 that works ok and put down 300rwhp thru a T-5.
 
the biggest question I would ask is do you want 300 or 350 rwhp? big difference in build trying to go from one to the other on a stock stroke 302. Also, are you going efi or carb?

My combo is really basic, and makes 300, maybe 310-315 at the wheels. Last time it was on the dyno it made 295/320 tq. Since, I added more compression when I had the heads milled due to a bad HG, bigger injectors (it was lean on the dyno pull), and did a maf conversion. so it should be making over 300 now, maybe 315.

To get to 350, you really will need a stroker; if you want it fairly streetable. to get there on a stock stroke, you might need to rev it high enough to have reliability problems with a late model block (6500-7K). plus a BIG cam and heads. and it might not make that much tq down low.

If you go 347, afr 185's or the bigger tfs heads, it should make 350/350 fairly easily. (well, through a manual anyway).

My combo is a 306 w dss 10:1 forged pistons, trickflow heads milled .040, crower 15511 (218/224 .503/ .522 lift cam w 1.72 scorpion rockers). T-moss ported gt40 lower w tubular upper. 24# injectors, march underdrive pullies, pro-m 75mm maf, accufab 75mm TB, moroso cold air, JBA shorties, x-pipe w no cats, and a borla exhaust.

if I were to do it again, I would have likely gone with a different cam. I tried to stay speed density and that cam was about the biggest I could go and have it work. but it was poor on fuel economy untill I switched to mass air. knowing I would have switched anyway, I would have went with like a trickflow stg 1 or 2, or a comp 274hr maybe.

and given how heavy the car is, 3550 with me in it and under a 1/4 tank of fuel; If I weren't under a time crunch to get it back running when the original motor took a dump; I would have built a 347.

Hope this helps.
 
if you needed everything but the block, and could assemble it yourself? at least 4k I bet.

rotating assy, 1400?
cam 2-250
balancer 200?
Heads 1200-1500
intake 350?
longtubes 250?
pushrods 100?
lifters 125
gaskets 150?
oil pump 40?
rockers 250?
injectors 300 if efi
machine work? 250-500?

whats the total? 4850-5400.

I might be on the high end if a few things, and may have missed a few things. this route would likely need a maf, TB, flywheel, etc. and you could add a better oil pan, windage tray, and upgrade a few other things.

ps, forgot a timing chain, headbolts or studs, and various other fasteners. plus a tune.

if carbed, swap out a few things for a diff carb and intake. etc.
 
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Rod442 said:
if you needed everything but the block, and could assemble it yourself? at least 4k I bet.

rotating assy, 1400?
cam 2-250
balancer 200?
Heads 1200-1500
intake 350?
longtubes 250?
pushrods 100?
lifters 125
gaskets 150?
oil pump 40?
rockers 250?
injectors 300 if efi
machine work? 250-500?

whats the total? 4850-5400.

I might be on the high end if a few things, and may have missed a few things. this route would likely need a maf, TB, flywheel, etc. and you could add a better oil pan, windage tray, and upgrade a few other things.

ps, forgot a timing chain, headbolts or studs, and various other fasteners. plus a tune.

if carbed, swap out a few things for a diff carb and intake. etc.
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turbo!
 
And this is the reason I suggested the supercharger. The complete kit is $3100. Upgrades a little more. And the longblock doesn't need to be modified or torn down. The engine doesn't need to be pulled. Wh go thru a lot of expense when you don't have to.

Rod442 said:
if you needed everything but the block, and could assemble it yourself? at least 4k I bet.

rotating assy, 1400?
cam 2-250
balancer 200?
Heads 1200-1500
intake 350?
longtubes 250?
pushrods 100?
lifters 125
gaskets 150?
oil pump 40?
rockers 250?
injectors 300 if efi
machine work? 250-500?

whats the total? 4850-5400.

I might be on the high end if a few things, and may have missed a few things. this route would likely need a maf, TB, flywheel, etc. and you could add a better oil pan, windage tray, and upgrade a few other things.

ps, forgot a timing chain, headbolts or studs, and various other fasteners. plus a tune.

if carbed, swap out a few things for a diff carb and intake. etc.
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AutoRoc said:
Can anyone with a 302 chime in and suggest a combo to run... its all he asked for.. haha

Also... Lidio could probably shed some light on what works well.

I'll pm Rod442. He has a street h/c 302 that works ok and put down 300rwhp thru a T-5.
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I'll be talking to Lid before we start spending for sure.
 
Rod442 said:
the biggest question I would ask is do you want 300 or 350 rwhp? big difference in build trying to go from one to the other on a stock stroke 302. Also, are you going efi or carb?

My combo is really basic, and makes 300, maybe 310-315 at the wheels. Last time it was on the dyno it made 295/320 tq. Since, I added more compression when I had the heads milled due to a bad HG, bigger injectors (it was lean on the dyno pull), and did a maf conversion. so it should be making over 300 now, maybe 315.

To get to 350, you really will need a stroker; if you want it fairly streetable. to get there on a stock stroke, you might need to rev it high enough to have reliability problems with a late model block (6500-7K). plus a BIG cam and heads. and it might not make that much tq down low.

If you go 347, afr 185's or the bigger tfs heads, it should make 350/350 fairly easily. (well, through a manual anyway).

My combo is a 306 w dss 10:1 forged pistons, trickflow heads milled .040, crower 15511 (218/224 .503/ .522 lift cam w 1.72 scorpion rockers). T-moss ported gt40 lower w tubular upper. 24# injectors, march underdrive pullies, pro-m 75mm maf, accufab 75mm TB, moroso cold air, JBA shorties, x-pipe w no cats, and a borla exhaust.

if I were to do it again, I would have likely gone with a different cam. I tried to stay speed density and that cam was about the biggest I could go and have it work. but it was poor on fuel economy untill I switched to mass air. knowing I would have switched anyway, I would have went with like a trickflow stg 1 or 2, or a comp 274hr maybe.

and given how heavy the car is, 3550 with me in it and under a 1/4 tank of fuel; If I weren't under a time crunch to get it back running when the original motor took a dump; I would have built a 347.

Hope this helps.
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All good advice. As for the goal..........just a fun cruiser that makes as much streetable power that a stock stroke carb'd bullet with a HCI and headers will make and run on pump gas. Not looking to mimic the race car we have. At some point it will likely get a stroker when it's time for a rebuild but for now it will just be a bolt on car. All the mods I plan for I will do over the cource of a week in our garage. I feel that with the right choice of parts, 350hp at the FW should be achievable and still be very streetable on pump gas--if it makes more than that is a bonus. I know how easy it is to get carried away with the mods..............our '93 started out as a bolt on car and now it sports a DART block,YSi blower,A/W intercooler,ect,ect and NEEDS C16. Still lots of fun on the True Street events but it really isn't street friendly--this 'new"car is meant for frun cruising rather than all out performance.
 
Ok, putting on fire suit.......If you're starting from scratch and have an open mind, put in a LS series motor and meet all of your goals fairly easy with room to grow. An LS1, LQ4, LQ9, LS2, etc, etc, etc will all make big power. A cam really wakes those up (usually 50+hp soft!). Some headers and a carb or preferably a harness/computer from a donor car and you're rocking! Should easily run 11's on motor and still get excellent fuel economy. Could go faster very easy with the right combo on just motor. If you want faster down the road, add a little spray or a blower/turbo. Bottom end is plenty strong for most goals until you get really serious.

Other option would be a nice sbf, but if you're starting from scratch I'd really consider the LS motors....... FYI, my engine back in the day went 11.90's at 3450lbs. with an air/fuel in the 9's and 27 or 28 degrees of timing (long story why), but basically it was a 9.2:1 363" (8.2 deck) sbf with some twisted wedge heads. Lunati hyd roller 544/560 lift---232/244 duration at .050---112 centerline. I had blower drive problems and couldn't get out with the blower so I ran it on motor with a startup tune. Couldn't figure out how to tune that Tweaker bullshit very well so I didn't change much of anything. The only thing really different about this engine over any basic 347 would be the big bore (4.125 vs. the stock 4.000). Obviously, helps to unshroud the valves. Other then that, a basic 347 should make some nice power for a cruiser. I still think the LS motor is the way to go though. Good luck.
 
10.5:1 347, off the shelf hyd roller, tfs track heats, victor jr./750cfm deamon.. That combo will make 350-400 to the tire all day on 93.. Nothing against the ls motors they make great power too..... There's just something gay about them imop maybe it's because they're soooo "hyped" on the internet but in the real world you would be lucky to get one to fall out of a tree... lol j/k kinda.. Take into consideration a c6 zo6 11:1 427,dry sump, titanium rods, crazy lite pistons, giant heads,3" exhaust etc,etc,etc.. how much power do these cars really make to the tire? Enough power to get a stick shift 3000 lb car into the 10's with a great driver and a tire right? Ohhhhh my god!!!!!! wow!!!!!!!!!! Ever take a look at nmra pure street?? youtube it..(granted these cars won't go 200mph with the a/c on) ls motor drama crap/end rant... lol
 
Doctor said:
10.5:1 347, off the shelf hyd roller, tfs track heats, victor jr./750cfm deamon.. That combo will make 350-400 to the tire all day on 93.. Nothing against the ls motors they make great power too..... There's just something gay about them imop maybe it's because they're soooo "hyped" on the internet but in the real world you would be lucky to get one to fall out of a tree... lol j/k kinda.. Take into consideration a c6 zo6 11:1 427,dry sump, titanium rods, crazy lite pistons, giant heads,3" exhaust etc,etc,etc.. how much power do these cars really make to the tire? Enough power to get a stick shift 3000 lb car into the 10's with a great driver and a tire right? Ohhhhh my god!!!!!! wow!!!!!!!!!! Ever take a look at nmra pure street?? youtube it..(granted these cars won't go 200mph with the a/c on) ls motor drama crap/end rant... lol
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J- I totally agree with you that putting an LS engine in the car above would be completely stupid and foolish. You need to take a ride in my 82 though, to see what a "cam only" LS engine can do in a mustang. It does a little better than fall out of a tree.
 
putting a LS in a fox....fine. But this is a classic fuckin ford.... Put a nice FE in it with an edelbrock H/C/I on it- Its one of the prettiest motors to look at and just cool.
 
TWISTED said:
putting a LS in a fox....fine. But this is a classic fuckin ford.... Put a nice FE in it with an edelbrock H/C/I on it- Its one of the prettiest motors to look at and just cool.
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x2!

In the above car though, I'd just put a cheap windsor in it to get what he's looking for. Or a head/cam 302.
 
slowfive0 said:
Ok, putting on fire suit.......If you're starting from scratch and have an open mind, put in a LS series motor and meet all of your goals fairly easy with room to grow. An LS1, LQ4, LQ9, LS2, etc, etc, etc will all make big power. A cam really wakes those up (usually 50+hp soft!). Some headers and a carb or preferably a harness/computer from a donor car and you're rocking! Should easily run 11's on motor and still get excellent fuel economy. Could go faster very easy with the right combo on just motor. If you want faster down the road, add a little spray or a blower/turbo. Bottom end is plenty strong for most goals until you get really serious.

Other option would be a nice sbf, but if you're starting from scratch I'd really consider the LS motors....... FYI, my engine back in the day went 11.90's at 3450lbs. with an air/fuel in the 9's and 27 or 28 degrees of timing (long story why), but basically it was a 9.2:1 363" (8.2 deck) sbf with some twisted wedge heads. Lunati hyd roller 544/560 lift---232/244 duration at .050---112 centerline. I had blower drive problems and couldn't get out with the blower so I ran it on motor with a startup tune. Couldn't figure out how to tune that Tweaker bullshit very well so I didn't change much of anything. The only thing really different about this engine over any basic 347 would be the big bore (4.125 vs. the stock 4.000). Obviously, helps to unshroud the valves. Other then that, a basic 347 should make some nice power for a cruiser. I still think the LS motor is the way to go though. Good luck.
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Hi Sean,

Good to hear from you. Never really thought about cross breeding for this car--I know those motors make great power and respond well to mods. Although I would not be opposed to the idea, the budget just isn't there for a mojor job like that--now if the motor goes in it then we have to re-think the idea but for now it will just be a HCI type of deal. It will make what it makes at the end of the day. I don't think that 300-350 at the FW is out of the question with the right combo of parts.

Later,
 
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