Apparently, you can't fix stupid in Camp Mustang...

Overboost said:
Until I see numbers for both on the same track, same driver, same day, I don't see how the so called "experts" can make such ridiculous claims.

I'll give the ZL1 credit where credit is due; the suspension and PTM are some great tech. I don't think, however, that's going to be the solution to beat the increased weight and lack of horsepower/torque.

One thing I thought was really interesting; Jalopnik's review mentioned that only 7% of GT500 owners track/drag the car. If that number is close to correct, it makes more sense why the Perf. Pack and Track Pack are options and keep the price down. I'm sure the take rates will be higher than 7%, but people won't use what they order.
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I wonder what % check every option box and never drive them at all? Obviously primarily driven by the Shelby name. I wouldn't be suprised if that percentage of owners edges out the racers.
 
beertestr said:
I love the shit stirring from those that likely can't even afford either one. It's choosing which team you want to live vicariously through. Sadly, I roll with vintage red velour, so neither one fits the bill..:pimp:
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Not really. Most gear heads have had a Mustang or a Camaro at one time or another. There's a different kind of connection. Remember Moss versus Coletti? Neither of those cars was available to anyone with any amount of money, but it was a C&D story, because it's Mustang versus Camaro and people connect with them. It didn't have to be vicarious, guys read that and went out to their garage and fired up their Z28 or GT and went out looking for trouble.

And in THIS thread, over half the comments are coming from guys that work for Ford or GM :lol: ....I'd say there's a vested interest, far from vicarious!
 
I'm still on the fence about all the new technology in general. I'm in my early 30's so it's not like I grew up tuning carburetors, all my toys have been tuned via computers.

The launch control stuff is neat for what it does but there is still something to be said about the simplicity of achieving an ET by yourself whether it is a stick or auto. If my grandmother can get in either of these new cars and run within a tenth of someone who knows what they are doing then nothing has really been achieved by the driver, might as well just send the timeslip to Ford/Chevy with a thank you note.

--Joe
 
soap said:
I'm still on the fence about all the new technology in general. I'm in my early 30's so it's not like I grew up tuning carburetors, all my toys have been tuned via computers.

The launch control stuff is neat for what it does but there is still something to be said about the simplicity of achieving an ET by yourself whether it is a stick or auto. If my grandmother can get in either of these new cars and run within a tenth of someone who knows what they are doing then nothing has really been achieved by the driver, might as well just send the timeslip to Ford/Chevy with a thank you note.

--Joe
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I'm with you for the most part. Launch control is cheating :lol: But I've heard the GT500 is basically worthless on street tires without it.....I think it's a cool option to have.
 
I can't remember - didn't I have a bet with somebody about Nurburgring times? Supposedly all that power and lightness was going to translate to an incredible ring time through the curves. Did I miss that from the press show last week?

I will admit, the car is very impressive. Ford made a max effort vehicle. I think with that trap time, they could pull a ten with slicks (or maybe Evan Smith). 11.6 with the traction control? Crazy.

I was reading about the built in electronics that allow you to set your launch point and act like a built in scan tool. That is something that has been missing on these cars for a long time. Maybe now that Ford has stepped up and put it in the car, the rest of the OEM's will too. I wonder if that will be part of the standard track pack on the next Mustang?

-Geoff
 
Because I've heard that a 'Ring time for the GT500 exists, I'm sure the announcement of it will come as part of the launch roll out. And if they admit to its existance, I'm assuming that means it's good. Why would they bother acknowledging they have it if it sucked?
 
4 cam tbird said:
Because I've heard that a 'Ring time for the GT500 exists, I'm sure the announcement of it will come as part of the launch roll out. And if they admit to its existance, I'm assuming that means it's good. Why would they bother acknowledging they have it if it sucked?
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Just floating this out - maybe they didn't announce it because it didn't beat the ZL1? If the Ring time didn't beat the ZL1, all it would do is detract from the GT500 launch press conference, so why show it? The skidpad numbers in the motortrend article actually went down from the 2012, so there is no reason it should do any better at the ring. The ZL1 has already beat the 2011's time at VIR by 6 seconds (from what I could find at youtube).

-Geoff
 
Some Bilstein active dampers are at least an option on the '13 GT500. It isn't MR but it has to help on a track. Skid pad numbers are steady state. Active dampers aren't doing crap for you at that point. Skid pad numbers aren't necessarily an indicator of track performance where the transient areas are where you really gain time. How is the '13's braking distance compared tot he '12? It's already been stated that it is better than the ZL1, that would seem to bode well for it's track performance.
 
Some buyers don't care about road racing and none of the options really help for drag racing do they?

I know I didn't order the "track pack" just because I have no use for bigger brakes. That's just less wheel clearance and more rotating weight :lol:
 
I defintiely agree that it is smart to make those things options as some buyers don't need or even want them. Not only do they not help for drag racing, it's more rotating mass, more unsprung mass, and as you said, probably detrimental to putting some drag wheels on if you are so inclined.

Although, for those that are interested in stopping hard enough to make their eyes pop out of their head, you definitely need to look at those as tested prices. There isn't much for options on a ZL1. Those things that come standard on a ZL1 but not on a Shelby jack the price up fast.

I bet a ZL1 owner could make some money trading brake hardware with an SS owner though. Hell, if any ZL1 owners want to downgrade their brakes, I'll buy your front rotors :)
 
4 cam tbird said:
Some Bilstein active dampers are at least an option on the '13 GT500. It isn't MR but it has to help on a track. Skid pad numbers are steady state. Active dampers aren't doing crap for you at that point. Skid pad numbers aren't necessarily an indicator of track performance where the transient areas are where you really gain time. How is the '13's braking distance compared tot he '12? It's already been stated that it is better than the ZL1, that would seem to bode well for it's track performance.
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The ZL1 was tuned at the ring. Is it so inconceivable that it could beat the GT500 there?

-Geoff
 
I don't think that it is inconceivable that the ZL1 with its gen 3 MR and all could beat the GT500 on the 'Ring. I've just heard there is a 'Ring time and don't think that much would be said by Ford if it wasn't a good one. There were pictures of the GT500 on the 'Ring, in the rain. They could just deny that they were able to get a good dry lap and report nothing other than their tuning went well.

We'll see when they announce it, or let silence speak for itself. Only time will tell at this point.
 
WhiteHawk said:
The ZL1 was tuned at the ring. Is it so inconceivable that it could beat the GT500 there?

-Geoff
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the ZL1 probably does beat it there, dont have specificis, but I do know the highway gear they put in the GT500 to beat the gas guzzler tax really hurt its lap times, but if you swap a 3.73 back in it that its an absolute animal. you can take third gear past 130 with the 3.31. it may not be geared specifically for the Ring...only time will tell when numbers are released. I personally think theyre both badass cars, and a steal when you compare the performance to other cars in the same price category. My only gripe with the ZL1 is that its ugly, no amount of power or fancy suspension will fix that
 
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3.31 rear end? What are the 6th gear ratio, tire size, and rev limit on that thing? Theoretical top speed has to be way up there. :lol: That thing could be a standing mile monster.
 
4 cam tbird said:
3.31 rear end? What are the 6th gear ratio, tire size, and rev limit on that thing? Theoretical top speed has to be way up there. :lol: That thing could be a standing mile monster.
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The GT500 is said to go 202mph *stock*.

That hasn't been confirmed though.
 
4 cam tbird said:
3.31 rear end? What are the 6th gear ratio, tire size, and rev limit on that thing? Theoretical top speed has to be way up there. :lol: That thing could be a standing mile monster.
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Rear tire is a 285/35/20, rev limit is 6250, with an 8 second over-rev function. Don't know the gear ratio though.
 
Fryguy302 said:
The GT500 is said to go 202mph *stock*.

That hasn't been confirmed though.
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What were all the "202 MPH" shirts Ford was giving away in Arizona at Barrett Jackson for? And the 202mph GT500 they actioned off for charity...what was that? :lol:
 
I don't have any data for this, but my guess was that it will only hit the 202 mph during the 8 second over rev period. I guess we will know soon enough. I'm waiting for the first person to do it and post to YouTube. :lol:
 
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