Apparently, you can't fix stupid in Camp Mustang...

4 cam tbird said:
The problem with that is they are close enough that whichever car Paul Tracy gets will win. Tanner's car only ever wins when it is way better than PT's car.
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That's why they each drive both car, even throw a 3rd driver in the mix.. Ken Block?
 
CMYZ28 said:
That's why they each drive both car, even throw a 3rd driver in the mix.. Ken Block?
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this !!

have the test done by someone who doesnt give a fuck which car wins

chevy does the test they do it on a track where they know they can win
ford does the same thing
 
derbydad276 said:
this !!

have the test done by someone who doesnt give a fuck which car wins

chevy does the test they do it on a track where they know they can win
ford does the same thing
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I dunno about the Ford comment since they won't post their test results :kneel:
 
The results of the head to heads are pretty easy to find. That I know of, the cars have been tested head to head on a road course 5 times by auto publications. The GT500 was faster twice, the ZL1 was faster twice, and they were "tied" once (which I find stupid that they wouldn't add one extra digit and declare a winner). In acceleration tests, I think the GT500 won 74,023 - 0.
 
The 500 is lighter, has more power, and looks way better. In the 1/4 mile, it's not even a race.

That's really all I need to know about which one to choose....but I do applaud GM's efforts in the 'ring and I think Ford should have done the same.
 
DBK said:
The results of the head to heads are pretty easy to find. That I know of, the cars have been tested head to head on a road course 5 times by auto publications. The GT500 was faster twice, the ZL1 was faster twice, and they were "tied" once (which I find stupid that they wouldn't add one extra digit and declare a winner). In acceleration tests, I think the GT500 won 74,023 - 0.
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The GT500 is definately quicker in a straight line. Do you know off hand what publications those were in?
 
CMYZ28 said:
The GT500 is definately quicker in a straight line. Do you know off hand what publications those were in?
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Motor Trend, Car and Driver (twice), Inside Line and Automobile. Automobile is the one that declared it a tie. C&D used mag staff, Motor Trend was a pro, Inside Line don't know.
 
DBK said:
Motor Trend, Car and Driver (twice), Inside Line and Automobile. Automobile is the one that declared it a tie. C&D used mag staff, Motor Trend was a pro, Inside Line don't know.
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Thank you appreciate it!
 
DBK said:
The results of the head to heads are pretty easy to find. That I know of, the cars have been tested head to head on a road course 5 times by auto publications. The GT500 was faster twice, the ZL1 was faster twice, and they were "tied" once (which I find stupid that they wouldn't add one extra digit and declare a winner). In acceleration tests, I think the GT500 won 74,023 - 0.
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You still owe me admitting that the ZL1 posted a better time at the Ring. Or we can wait for the times that Ford will never release because they weren't as fast. We had a gentlemans bet, but I guess the ball is in your court. Or are you still in denial?

-Geoff
 
WhiteHawk said:
You still owe me admitting that the ZL1 posted a better time at the Ring. Or we can wait for the times that Ford will never release because they weren't as fast. We had a gentlemans bet, but I guess the ball is in your court. Or are you still in denial?

-Geoff
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Wrong. You can ignore it for an eternity, but the fact is that SVT never said anything about what the GT500 would do in the 1/4 or 0-60 either, and it's not even remotely in the same ballpark as the ZL1 in those categories, so the "you don't release numbers because numbers not as good" theory is quickly debunked. How many runs did GM make at Milan making that video trying to convince their customers the car would run 11's "all day" after a bunch of magazines drivers showed up at Press Launch and started turning out high 12's and low 13's from 108-113 using the infallible launch control? I remember when SVT put out that video of the 500 running 11.50s@127 at Milan that same week...oh wait.

I'll declare a stalemate with you. They won't say what they run so I can't publicly prove it to you, and you won't believe it's faster than a ZL1 because you think they are hiding it.
 
DBK said:
Wrong. You can ignore it for an eternity, but the fact is that SVT never said anything about what the GT500 would do in the 1/4 or 0-60 either, and it's not even remotely in the same ballpark as the ZL1 in those categories, so the "you don't release numbers because numbers not as good" theory is quickly debunked. How many runs did GM make at Milan making that video trying to convince their customers the car would run 11's "all day" after a bunch of magazines drivers showed up at Press Launch and started turning out high 12's and low 13's from 108-113 using the infallible launch control? I remember when SVT put out that video of the 500 running 11.50s@127 at Milan that same week...oh wait.

I'll declare a stalemate with you. They won't say what they run so I can't publicly prove it to you, and you won't believe it's faster than a ZL1 because you think they are hiding it.
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You are of course correct. Ford spent about $200,000 to put a car on a plane, fly it over to Germany with engineers and drivers, rented private garage space, and then ran a time just to keep it secret. I hear Egypt is beautiful this time of year, especially around DENIAL.

-Geoff
 
DBK said:
You can ignore it for an eternity...
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...and....

WhiteHawk said:
You are of course correct. Ford spent about $200,000 to put a car on a plane, fly it over to Germany with engineers and drivers, rented private garage space, and then ran a time just to keep it secret. I hear Egypt is beautiful this time of year, especially around DENIAL
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....you will.
 
Was the ATS Ring time ever officially announced. I know in one of the ATS videos you heard the LDE say seconds while looking at a stop watch leading everyone to assume it ran a time of whatever minuets and those seconds, but was the time ever released in any sort of formal manner?
 
sidewayscoupe said:
Will someone please lock this fucking thread.
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Yeah, no doubt! This is the first time I've looked at this thread in a long time and it's even dumber than I expected. LOL I guess the banter is kinda fun but jeez, what a polarizing subject.

I OWN a GT500 (2010). Great car. I've never had it even close to 10/10ths. I'm not that good. I still really like the car. Sure it's my "brand" ( previous Mustang owner) but I'm not blinded by loyalty.

I'll tell you one thing I really dig about the ZL1 is the auto trans option. Lethal drag set-up. It may me be sacrilegious but that would be a great option on the GT500.

GM said the 2014 Stingray will run 0-60 in under 4.0 seconds. There, it's in print. But can you believe the 2013 GT-R can do it in under three?! (2.7 seconds). Quarter mile in 10.8 too. Damn!

Ok, carry on. Lol
 
"We've done simulations. We predict that the ZL1 will be quicker to 60 than the [2013] GT500." - Mom jeans wearing tub ass. I like that better than "Find New Roads." "Simulations. We've Done Them."

In all seriousness, the ZL1 is a cool car, and if I were in the market for a $55k 4100 lb, auto trans, road course car that ran "mid 12's at 114 all day long", it would definitely be my choice. :lol:
 
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