Airgunning

[Torxila]

Is it legal to kill crows? (Farmington Hills) We have some that I swear to GOD must weigh 8 lbs. They stand about 18" tall including legs/tail etc. Way bigger than our red tailed hawks (we have lots of those & like them). Crows are ballsy bastards. They sit in our trees or on the power lines behind our house (between 20-60') away. Loud as Fk & a general nuisance. I'd really like to take a few of them out as I sit on the deck having a stogie. DNR site says OK with a small game license.

Tin, what do I need brother?

George

 

[Rumblestrip]

.45 Cal air rifle, sure!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b2kMyMLEBA

 

[sn95_311]

the Benjamin rouge looks bad ass , its a .357 , guy on youtube was hunting deer with them

 

[Tin]

Is it legal to kill crows? (Farmington Hills) We have some that I swear to GOD must weigh 8 lbs. They stand about 18" tall including legs/tail etc. Way bigger than our red tailed hawks (we have lots of those & like them). Crows are ballsy bastards. They sit in our trees or on the power lines behind our house (between 20-60') away. Loud as Fk & a general nuisance. I'd really like to take a few of them out as I sit on the deck having a stogie. DNR site says OK with a small game license.

Tin, what do I need brother?

George

Crows, house sparrows, starlings, and pigeons are all legal. No songbirds though, that could land you in hot water. Aside from crows, the other pests I mentioned are invasive species and have no regulations. The crows are smart, after you take out a few of them, they'll find somewhere else to make noise. I generally recommend something like a RWS 34 or 350 for general purpose, or something of equal capability like a XS25 or XS28M. They really are workhorses, and will last a very long time without needed anything replaced. If you want a good PCP rifle instead of break-barrel, a Benjamin Discovery is very very nice. You can fill it with a hand pump and get about 40 shots between fills...lots of power, too.

 

[Tin]

Not shooting far at all, probably 30 yards at the most. I actually already have an air rifle that my Dad gave me, its a Benjaman break barrel, model BT1122WNP. Is this air rifle a decent gun or not? I know my dad took out a many a chipmunk with it.

Hell yeah, that's a Benjamin Trail XL, the most powerful break barrel Benjamin you can get. That barrel shroud quiets it down, too. Get a strong scope, because that one has a lot of kick and will destroy a non airgun rated scope after a couple of hundred shots.

http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Benjamin_Trail_NP_XL_Air_Rifle/2052

 

[Tin]

Here's some good vids on how to accurately shoot a spring gun.

 

[Tin]

 

[Tin]

Michigan Secrtetary of State signed the bill May 14th, effective immediately. Prior to that, it would've taken effect July 1st. Fire at will boys!

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(na...g.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=2015-SB-0085

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2015-2016/publicact/pdf/2015-PA-0029.pdf

Sec. 4. This act does not prohibit a city or a charter township from doing any of the following:
(a) Prohibiting the discharge of a pistol or other firearm within the jurisdiction of that city or charter township.
(b) Prohibiting the discharge of pneumatic guns in any area within the jurisdiction of the city or charter township
that is so heavily populated as to make that conduct dangerous to the inhabitants of that area, except that an ordinance
shall not prohibit the discharge of pneumatic guns at authorized target ranges, on other property where firearms may
be discharged, or on or within private property with the permission of the owner or possessor of that property if
conducted with reasonable care to prevent a projectile from crossing the bounds of the property.
Enacting section 1. This amendatory act takes effect 90 days after the date it is enacted into law.
This act is ordered to take immediate effect.

 

[TWISTED]

As far as crosmans being junk....probably 80% or better of people shooting the sporter class in ISSF/ USA shooting are using a crosman challenger. I'm willing to bet it's as accurate as any shooter reading this. My son started off with one before moving up to an Anschutz 8002 which is obviously a better rifle ( for the extra $2000 over a challenger)


* granted, I'm not talking break barrel guns.

 

[Tin]

As far as crosmans being junk....probably 80% or better of people shooting the sporter class in ISSF/ USA shooting are using a crosman challenger. I'm willing to bet it's as accurate as any shooter reading this. My son started off with one before moving up to an Anschutz 8002 which is obviously a better rifle ( for the extra $2000 over a challenger)


* granted, I'm not talking break barrel guns.

Crosman's non-break barrel stuff is excellent. Their break barrels really aren't terrible, they just need some work to put them in the same league as the better offerings. The best places to start is with a better trigger and a re-lube of the powerplant with Honda 60 moly paste and a generous coat of tar on the mainspring. Their Benjamin pump/brake-barrel/PCP, Sheridan CO2, and Crosman pump/CO2/PCP guns are still made in America.

Oh yeah, now your son can practice 10m in your yard

 

[GTPprix]

Michigan Secrtetary of State signed the bill May 14th, effective immediately. Prior to that, it would've taken effect July 1st. Fire at will boys!

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(na...g.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=2015-SB-0085

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2015-2016/publicact/pdf/2015-PA-0029.pdf

Sec. 4. This act does not prohibit a city or a charter township from doing any of the following:
(a) Prohibiting the discharge of a pistol or other firearm within the jurisdiction of that city or charter township.
(b) Prohibiting the discharge of pneumatic guns in any area within the jurisdiction of the city or charter township
that is so heavily populated as to make that conduct dangerous to the inhabitants of that area, except that an ordinance
shall not prohibit the discharge of pneumatic guns at authorized target ranges, on other property where firearms may
be discharged, or on or within private property with the permission of the owner or possessor of that property if
conducted with reasonable care to prevent a projectile from crossing the bounds of the property.
Enacting section 1. This amendatory act takes effect 90 days after the date it is enacted into law.
This act is ordered to take immediate effect.

"Enacting section 1. This amendatory act takes effect 90 days after the date it is enacted into law."

Section 1 that reclassifies (defines) them from firearm to pneumatic gun takes effect 90 days after signing, the rest of the bill has immediate effect. Just a heads up for those of you who are going to run out and try to get one without registering it LOL Also the way the bill is written without that definition change the old law still applies as it will be deemed a firearm for the purpose of this bill for 90 days.

 

[Tin]

"Enacting section 1. This amendatory act takes effect 90 days after the date it is enacted into law."

Section 1 that reclassifies (defines) them from firearm to pneumatic gun takes effect 90 days after signing, the rest of the bill has immediate effect. Just a heads up for those of you who are going to run out and try to get one without registering it LOL Also the way the bill is written without that definition change the old law still applies as it will be deemed a firearm for the purpose of this bill for 90 days.

That is from May 12th. SoS made it immediate as of May 14th

2/10/2015 SJ 11 Pg. 122 INTRODUCED BY SENATOR DAVID HILDENBRAND
2/10/2015 SJ 11 Pg. 122 REFERRED TO COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY
3/12/2015 SJ 25 Pg. 291 REPORTED FAVORABLY WITHOUT AMENDMENT
3/12/2015 SJ 25 Pg. 291 COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED IMMEDIATE EFFECT
3/12/2015 SJ 25 Pg. 291 REFERRED TO COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE
3/24/2015 SJ 29 Pg. 364 REPORTED BY COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE FAVORABLY WITHOUT AMENDMENT(S)
3/24/2015 SJ 29 Pg. 364 PLACED ON ORDER OF THIRD READING
3/25/2015 SJ 30 Pg. 375 AMENDMENT(S) DEFEATED
3/25/2015 SJ 30 Pg. 375 PASSED ROLL CALL # 66 YEAS 29 NAYS 8 EXCUSED 1 NOT VOTING 0
3/25/2015 HJ 31 Pg. 387 received on 03/25/2015
3/25/2015 HJ 31 Pg. 394 read a first time
3/25/2015 HJ 31 Pg. 394 referred to Committee on Judiciary
4/21/2015 HJ 36 Pg. 486 reported with recommendation without amendment
4/21/2015 HJ 36 Pg. 486 referred to second reading
4/28/2015 HJ 39 Pg. 545 read a second time
4/28/2015 HJ 39 Pg. 545 placed on third reading
4/29/2015 HJ 40 Pg. 582 read a third time
4/29/2015 HJ 40 Pg. 582 passed; given immediate effect Roll Call # 106 Yeas 79 Nays 31
4/29/2015 HJ 40 Pg. 582 returned to Senate
5/5/2015 SJ 41 Pg. 575 GIVEN IMMEDIATE EFFECT
5/5/2015 SJ 41 Pg. 575 ORDERED ENROLLED
5/12/2015 SJ 44 Pg. 645 PRESENTED TO GOVERNOR 5/8/2015 @ 10:16 AM
5/14/2015 SJ 46 Pg. 681 APPROVED BY GOVERNOR 5/12/2015 @ 10:14 AM
5/14/2015 SJ 46 Pg. 681 FILED WITH SECRETARY OF STATE 5/12/2015 @ 5:19 PM
5/14/2015 SJ 46 Pg. 681 ASSIGNED PA 0029'15 WITH IMMEDIATE EFFECT

 

[chunkybs]

What's the cheapest i could get something to annoy the rabbits tearing up my yard? I borrowed my brothers 10 pumper last summer and killed one when i hit it in the eye (oops) I was just trying to hit it, not kill it. I just didn't want it digging holes all over my yard lol. It did fixed the problem though, I didn't see any more rabbits the rest of the summer. I've seen a few holes already this year so it might be time to get one of my own to keep sitting by the back window.

don't need anything fancy, only shooting about 25-35 yards. pests include mainly squirrels and rabbits. I might be better off grabbing one used, I don't want to spend hundreds on a pellet gun.

 

[Tin]

What's the cheapest i could get something to annoy the rabbits tearing up my yard? I borrowed my brothers 10 pumper last summer and killed one when i hit it in the eye (oops) I was just trying to hit it, not kill it. I just didn't want it digging holes all over my yard lol. It did fixed the problem though, I didn't see any more rabbits the rest of the summer. I've seen a few holes already this year so it might be time to get one of my own to keep sitting by the back window.

don't need anything fancy, only shooting about 25-35 yards. pests include mainly squirrels and rabbits. I might be better off grabbing one used, I don't want to spend hundreds on a pellet gun.

Don't shoot them unless you plan on killing them. That would be like somebody shooting your ear off for the hell of it :lol:. I would get something like this: http://flyingdragonairrifles.org/XISICO_XS25.html I have the synthetic stock version, it'll go through 3/4" ply at 30yd.

 

[GTPprix]

That is from May 12th. SoS made it immediate as of May 14th

2/10/2015 SJ 11 Pg. 122 INTRODUCED BY SENATOR DAVID HILDENBRAND
2/10/2015 SJ 11 Pg. 122 REFERRED TO COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY
3/12/2015 SJ 25 Pg. 291 REPORTED FAVORABLY WITHOUT AMENDMENT
3/12/2015 SJ 25 Pg. 291 COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED IMMEDIATE EFFECT
3/12/2015 SJ 25 Pg. 291 REFERRED TO COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE
3/24/2015 SJ 29 Pg. 364 REPORTED BY COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE FAVORABLY WITHOUT AMENDMENT(S)
3/24/2015 SJ 29 Pg. 364 PLACED ON ORDER OF THIRD READING
3/25/2015 SJ 30 Pg. 375 AMENDMENT(S) DEFEATED
3/25/2015 SJ 30 Pg. 375 PASSED ROLL CALL # 66 YEAS 29 NAYS 8 EXCUSED 1 NOT VOTING 0
3/25/2015 HJ 31 Pg. 387 received on 03/25/2015
3/25/2015 HJ 31 Pg. 394 read a first time
3/25/2015 HJ 31 Pg. 394 referred to Committee on Judiciary
4/21/2015 HJ 36 Pg. 486 reported with recommendation without amendment
4/21/2015 HJ 36 Pg. 486 referred to second reading
4/28/2015 HJ 39 Pg. 545 read a second time
4/28/2015 HJ 39 Pg. 545 placed on third reading
4/29/2015 HJ 40 Pg. 582 read a third time
4/29/2015 HJ 40 Pg. 582 passed; given immediate effect Roll Call # 106 Yeas 79 Nays 31
4/29/2015 HJ 40 Pg. 582 returned to Senate
5/5/2015 SJ 41 Pg. 575 GIVEN IMMEDIATE EFFECT
5/5/2015 SJ 41 Pg. 575 ORDERED ENROLLED
5/12/2015 SJ 44 Pg. 645 PRESENTED TO GOVERNOR 5/8/2015 @ 10:16 AM
5/14/2015 SJ 46 Pg. 681 APPROVED BY GOVERNOR 5/12/2015 @ 10:14 AM
5/14/2015 SJ 46 Pg. 681 FILED WITH SECRETARY OF STATE 5/12/2015 @ 5:19 PM
5/14/2015 SJ 46 Pg. 681 ASSIGNED PA 0029'15 WITH IMMEDIATE EFFECT

The REST of the bill is immediate, anything with a written time delay for a certain enacting section IE Section 1 is still bound by that delay. Same reason the CPL Law (qualifications portion) all signed with immediate effect will change June 2nd and the rest December 1st

 

[GTPprix]

I'll try to use a good example here, PA 3 (CPL reform) due to votes got immediate effect (Signed on 3/5/15) as well and has multiple enacting sections that step the new process/qualifications in.

For example this one (among others in that piece of legislature) which is the qualifications for CPL in Michigan:

"Enacting section 3. Sections 5b and 5l of 1927 PA 372, MCL 28.425b and 28.425l, as amended by this amendatory act, take effect 90 days after the date this amendatory act is enacted into law."

Here is a link to that law referenced above (note the effective date): http://legislature.mi.gov/(S(ophbnm...bject&objectname=mcl-28-425b-amended&query=on

The June 2nd date is 90 days from 3/5 and its already been amended again with a different enacting section to take effect in July (I believe for the Ex LEO carve out).

Thats why I'm saying portions of the bill DO go into effect immediately HOWEVER the reclassification (Section 1 Contains the definitions) does not, its not quite that easy They need time to inform law enforcement etc.

 

[Tin]

I'll try to use a good example here, PA 3 (CPL reform) due to votes got immediate effect (on 3/5/15) as well and has multiple enacting sections.

For example this one which is (among others in that piece of legislature) the qualifications for CPL in Michigan:

"Enacting section 3. Sections 5b and 5l of 1927 PA 372, MCL 28.425b and 28.425l, as amended by this amendatory act, take effect 90 days after the date this amendatory act is enacted into law."

Here is a link to that law referenced above (note the effective date): http://legislature.mi.gov/(S(ophbnm...bject&objectname=mcl-28-425b-amended&query=on

The June 2nd date is 90 days from 3/5 and its already been amended again with a different enacting section to take effect in July (I believe for the Ex Police officer carve out).

Thats why I'm saying portions go into effect immediately HOWEVER the reclassification does not, its not quite that easy They need time to inform law enforcement etc.

Ahhhhhh. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[GTPprix]

Ahhhhhh. Thanks for the clarification.

I hope you dont think I'm being a smartass; I know I normally am ROFL There has to be time for stuff like this to flow through the system, MSP didn't even know about the CPL qualifications change a few weeks ago that start in June, they wont even have new applications ready for months that have the new criteria on them even though they are supposed to be followed WTF MATE?!

 

[Tin]

I hope you dont think I'm being a smartass; I know I normally am ROFL There has to be time for stuff like this to flow through the system, MSP didn't even know about the CPL qualifications change a few weeks ago that start in June, they wont even have new applications ready for months that have the new criteria on them even though they are supposed to be followed WTF MATE?!

I know you aren't being a smart ass. I'm glad you chimed in, best to keep us on the right side of the law or else we may march with DetroitStyle at some kind of police protest :roll:

 

[GTPprix]

I know you aren't being a smart ass. I'm glad you chimed in, best to keep us on the right side of the law or else we may march with DetroitStyle at some kind of police protest :roll:

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