2011 Superduty is making a statement!

A year ago I was working in Ford's engine dyno lab working on the DEF systems. |Then, worked at JMT testing doing catalyst development. It is exactly that, Diluted Pig urine is what is going to be used. It doesn't increase fuel economy, it removes emissions from the exhaust. The system injects urea after the DPF and removes almost all the NOX and THC. But, then you now have to have an ASC, (ammonia slip catalyst) to remove the ammonia caused by the urea. You are correct about the vehicle going into a type of limp mode until you fill it. BUT, like every other system before it, it can be eliminated and turned off in the calibration.
On a side note, now that ALL diesel vehicles(semi's, construction machinery, and anything else with a diesel), I would expect the price of pork products to increase as it benefits the pig farms to not slaughter their pigs and have them continue to produce urine that the government is requiring vehicles to now use. I have been waiting for these systems to reach vehicle production and see what happens.
Something else I just remembered about the urea injection........the urea solution leaves a really shitty mess if you spill it. It creates a white film of crystallized residue on everything.



No, the DEF doesn't increase fuel economy. It allows the engine to be calibrated to run better because it almost eliminates NOX and THC which meets stricter government diesel emission requirements. This is where the 8% (Ford claims) more fuel economy comes from. The current 6.4 does not have this system so between detuning and a restricted catalytic system pretty much choked the 6.4 to death.
 
A year ago I was working in Ford's engine dyno lab working on the DEF systems. |Then, worked at JMT testing doing catalyst development. It is exactly that, Diluted Pig urine is what is going to be used. It doesn't increase fuel economy, it removes emissions from the exhaust. The system injects urea after the DPF and removes almost all the NOX and THC. But, then you now have to have an ASC, (ammonia slip catalyst) to remove the ammonia caused by the urea. You are correct about the vehicle going into a type of limp mode until you fill it. BUT, like every other system before it, it can be eliminated and turned off in the calibration.
On a side note, now that ALL diesel vehicles(semi's, construction machinery, and anything else with a diesel), I would expect the price of pork products to increase as it benefits the pig farms to not slaughter their pigs and have them continue to produce urine that the government is requiring vehicles to now use. I have been waiting for these systems to reach vehicle production and see what happens.
Something else I just remembered about the urea injection........the urea solution leaves a really shitty mess if you spill it. It creates a white film of crystallized residue on everything.

No, the DEF doesn't increase fuel economy. It allows the engine to be calibrated to run better because it almost eliminates NOX and THC which meets stricter government diesel emission requirements. This is where the 8% (Ford claims) more fuel economy comes from. The current 6.4 does not have this system so between detuning and a restricted catalytic system pretty much choked the 6.4 to death.






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A year ago I was working in Ford's engine dyno lab working on the DEF systems. |Then, worked at JMT testing doing catalyst development. It is exactly that, Diluted Pig urine is what is going to be used. It doesn't increase fuel economy, it removes emissions from the exhaust. The system injects urea after the DPF and removes almost all the NOX and THC. But, then you now have to have an ASC, (ammonia slip catalyst) to remove the ammonia caused by the urea. You are correct about the vehicle going into a type of limp mode until you fill it. BUT, like every other system before it, it can be eliminated and turned off in the calibration.
On a side note, now that ALL diesel vehicles(semi's, construction machinery, and anything else with a diesel), I would expect the price of pork products to increase as it benefits the pig farms to not slaughter their pigs and have them continue to produce urine that the government is requiring vehicles to now use. I have been waiting for these systems to reach vehicle production and see what happens.
Something else I just remembered about the urea injection........the urea solution leaves a really shitty mess if you spill it. It creates a white film of crystallized residue on everything.

How are those calibrations working out for ya? :shake:
 
That emblem is retarded. :lol:

I like the UREA system. MB made some non-sense about it ~5 years ago, good to see it in production for the masses.

Nick
 
Here's a simple version of how SCR/D.E.F Tech works if anyone feels like reading.


http://www.detroitdiesel.com/pdf/emissions/truth-about-scr.pdf


This is a decent site with some good info as well

http://media.factsaboutscr.com/news_index.php

Thanks. I just glanced at it, but I'm going to read in depth about it. From what I've learned from the Ford rep and glancing at your PFD, it seems this can do nothing but help. I see the cost as being a down side, but if you get a more powerful truck and cleaner emissions I guess it's worth it.

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No, the DEF doesn't increase fuel economy. It allows the engine to be calibrated to run better because it almost eliminates NOX and THC which meets stricter government diesel emission requirements. This is where the 8% (Ford claims) more fuel economy comes from. The current 6.4 does not have this system so between detuning and a restricted catalytic system pretty much choked the 6.4 to death.

I should have said that the fuel economy doesn't directly come from the actual injection, but because you can eliminate more NOX and THC that is in the exhaust before it reaches the tailpipe. Thank you for adding that.
 
yea i drove ours when we got it with the 6.2 thats a bad mother. i cant wait til out raptor comes in with the 6.2. and the 2011 mustang with the 5.0 we factory ordered one for lidio. hes gonna have a bad man.
 
Actually the DEF is only injected after the DPF on dyno cert vehicles, it is injected post-DOC on the chassis cert vehicles. The DEF is synthetically made and doesn't really do anything for THC, that's all taken care of by the DOC. Ford doesnt use an ASC, I think dodge is the only one using one at this point. If you remove the system or try to fill the tank with something else the OBD system will catch it. You'll have 200 miles untill you're speed limited to 55mph, then another 200 miles until you're stuck on the side of the road (mandated by CARB not Ford). You'll have multiple warnings and chances to refill before the first "speed limited in 200mi" message appears. As stated previously, good luck turning stuff off in the calibration.....
 
nice.

VW has had Urea in their Touareg V6 Deisel since the fall of 09. It requires re-fill every 5,000 miles. Our system alerts you when it runs low and actualy gives you a re-start warning. It will state "Only 4 re-starts left" If you try to start it more then 4 times after the warning it will not start, shuts down.
 
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