hangemhigh
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ho-hum.......i'm ready for another 10 win season. no worries here. hell, the word is that urban meyer will be the new head coach.......
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Quick86
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He did the same thing in the past 10 years it looks like if I read it correctly.
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mark468
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Rose has no regrets. "I knew how much money that the school was making," he says. "I always heard about how Ohio State had the biggest Nike budget. I was struggling, my mom was struggling. ... It was just something that I had to do. I was in a hard spot. ... [Other] guys were doing it for the same reasons. The university doesn't really help. Technically we knew it was wrong, but a lot of those guys are from the inner city and we didn't have much, and we had to go on the best we could. I couldn't call home to ask my mom to help me out."
This is why i feel ,college players should get paid !! you have kids from the ghetto ,put into those situations, and everyone here on mm would do the same thing..i know , they already get paid by scholarship blah, blaH, different story when your at school with food and housing and you know your mom cant feed your siblings or is about to get evicted..
This is why i feel ,college players should get paid !! you have kids from the ghetto ,put into those situations, and everyone here on mm would do the same thing..i know , they already get paid by scholarship blah, blaH, different story when your at school with food and housing and you know your mom cant feed your siblings or is about to get evicted..
If you and I played a game, and I cheated all the time and won, it wouldn't be because I was good at the game. It would be because I was a no good, dirty rotten cheater.
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Swifster
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I'd say, 'Like Michigan?', but when you cheated, the team was bad enough it didn't matter...
The only reason I disagree with you is that I doubt these 'benefits' were advertised to recruits. So in a general sense, this doesn't affect anything on the field. They still would have had Pryor and any other player on the team. Did this help OSU beat Michigan or Michigan State. Nope, and to think so is a bit misplaced. Now I do think as more comes out, OSU will get wacked pretty hard. The NCAA is starting it's own investigation into Pryor so we'll see what comes up. But the Michigan case could be argued was on field cheating. Practice time does effect on field play (except in Michigan's case, LOL!). Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Long term, let's say that the NCAA hits OSU with a post season bowl ban. Will that hurt OSU recruiting. I doubt it. Say they get hit with 10 scholarships over the same time. Would that effect the on field product. I doubt that too. If a recruit dreamed of playing at OSU, he's going anyway. If they make OSU vacate their victories last year, does it make a difference. Again, no. OSU whipped your ass. When UM had to vacate their basketball wins and return their NCAA tournement money because UM was a dirty rotten, no good cheater with players who were on a payroll, it wasn't like MSU or other teams added to their victory totals. So UM will still be 3-9, 5-7 and 7-6 over the past three years.
So what would this mean to UM? NOTHING! Everyone saw the last three UM-OSU games and everyone will remember OSU kicked their ass! And over the next few years, UM doesn't have to worry about playing OSU in the Championship game as UM will never get there anyways.
As for MSU, it only means something going forward. MSU getting their ass kicked by OSU doesn't change what I saw on TV, and it won't change MSU's record (7-6). The coaching change and general kaos during the first five games may allow MSU to sneak a victory at the horseshoe, though I certainly wouldn't bet the house on it. A post season ban means if MSU gets to the championship game, they'll play Wisconsin or Penn State. I'm not going to cry over spilt milk about where MSU would have played if OSU was busted earlier, or had lost an extra game. It is what it is. Our talent doesn't equal Alabama's (not many teams do).
I don't see a large benefit in recruiting. the extra 5 players a year, maybe MSU and UM get an extra player a year they may not have gotten before. And that goes for Penn State, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Wisconsin or Iowa. Yes you can poke fun, but I get a kick out of a school caught cheating gloating over another school being caught.
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webleedorange619
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If you dont think Michigan cheats then I dont know what to tell you.
Swifster
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THAT was PROVEN!
webleedorange619
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I know, yet they act like it didnt happen lol.
mark468
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look i dont see what those kids did as cheating, cheating is shaving points etc.. they took advantage of their fame , Mich, dude were talking about practice time ,not like they stole the other team playbook, and this is done im pretty sure by all college teams,it just they got caught bending the rules..it had obviously no effect on the field . it just another stupid rule by the NCAA ,just like you cant sell your own merchandise.
jdustu
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ONE big difference between OSU and Michigan and their cheating. The NCAA found RR didn't lie to them. The NCAA also came back and said the original reports(thanks FREEP) were overblown, and no major violations occured. Tressel is now being shown as a liar from the start, and they've got more than a few major infractions piling up at this point.
Swifster
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The problem with UM is they didn't self report. Had Michigan self reported, you never would have even heard about it. No doubt the OSU stuff is turning very bad. But cheating is cheating. For the record, I'm sure MSU has self reported minor stuff. They all do. The NCAA wants to know that a school knows the rules, admits mistakes and makes corrections. Obviously, free cars are a bad thing.
webleedorange619
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a criminal record is a criminal record. Facts are both UM and OSU are cheats. lol
jdustu
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No they didn't. The NCAA actually agreed with Michigan that the incidents were far enough apart and unrelated. There was a specific mention that the "lack of institutional control" did NOT come in to play, and it was a non factor. Michigan got a reduction in practice time, assistant coaches, and is on probation. All self imposed.
Swifster
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I think more of it was because the Michigan problem came up in Rosenberg's article instead of from Michigan itself. The basketball problem was worse, but was 10 years in the past. I don't think that had anything to do with it.
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