2011 College Football Megathread

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Ryan, you are one stupid motherfucker. You think Rich Rod didn't sign the contract until AFTER the Cap One Bowl? I have a bridge in New York for sale if you believe that. Talk about a fucking dumbass. You think Rich Rod didn't start building his coaching staff until the Cap One Bowl was done. He had a bunch of guys leave with him on a plane from Morgantown that didn't coach in the Fiesta Bowl. You don't think Michigan wouldn't just put in for the waiver??? How drastically stupid are you?

I like how you still keep avoiding the blatant question where you are again proven to be talking out of your ass. Until you can prove otherwise, you have no point in even talking about this.

There is no proof that Rich Rod signed any commits, did much of anything dealing with the U of M other than argue his lawsuit with WVU. Again, until you can provide facts you're again, living in fantasy land.
 
I like how you still keep avoiding the blatant question where you are again proven to be talking out of your ass. Until you can prove otherwise, you have no point in even talking about this.

There is no proof that Rich Rod signed any commits, did much of anything dealing with the U of M other than argue his lawsuit with WVU. Again, until you can provide facts you're again, living in fantasy land.

You don't think RichRod did any recruiting? The lawsuit wasn't completed until June because Mary Sue Coleman was afraid of being deposed. UM agreed when RichRod was hired to eat the $4M buyout. There is no signing ANYONE until national signing day in February. A coach is allowed to recruit. Michigan had two head coaches, just like OSU. By your definition, I'd need a signed copy of the contract. Go read 'Three and Out' and get back to me. You truely are a fuck stick. Get off your ass and learn about the NCAA. Are you going to cry about Illinois too?
 
Yes, this is an Ohio State fan site but I thought this explained the waiver perfectly.

The Bleacher Report said:
Why the NCAA Coaching Waiver for Ohio State Is Not a Big Deal

By
Thomas Hanlon
(Contributor) on December 10, 2011

You would think that The Ohio State University being granted a coaching waiver in the transition from the Luke Fickell coaching staff to the Urban Meyer era is a travesty from the way people are complaining about it.

For those that haven't heard, the NCAA has granted the Ohio State Buckeyes a waiver allowing them to have more coaches on staff than the current ten allowed by NCAA rules. This allows Urban Meyer to recruit for Ohio State since he will be taking over as active head coach after the Gator Bowl on January 2, 2012 and it allows him to start hiring his coaching staff.

Only seven coaches are allowed to be recruiting at any one time, and only ten coaches are allowed to be coaching on the sidelines or in the coaching box during a game. Meyer and his staff as they are hired are being added to the list of Ohio State coaches allowed to recruit. However, they will not be allowed to have any responsibilities coaching the current team on the field until after the Gator Bowl. Also, any coaches that Meyer hires as holdover from the current staff will be allowed to recruit as long as there isn't more than seven coaches recruiting. Those coaches will also be allowed to coach the current team in practice and in the bowl game. At this moment, the only current coach on Meyer's staff is interim head coach Luke Fickell.

Also, Meyer will only be able to recruit until the 19th of December when a "dead period" takes place until the 3rd of January. By the 3rd of January, he will be the acting head coach at Ohio State.

Also, this is a waiver that is granted to most schools who apply for it. It's not something special that has just been granted to Ohio State and not to any other school. However to get it, a school has to have one person as the current head coach (be it an interim head coach or they are letting the coach leaving coach the bowl game), and have agreed to terms on a contract with someone to be the head coach the following season.

Illinois has also requested the waiver and are expected get it. Gene Smith, the Athletic Director at Ohio State, was granted the same waiver when he was the AD at Arizona State, and doesn't see what the big deal is. ESPN reports that Smith said:

"We have only one coach who is not coaching - and that's coach Meyer," he said. "We don't have a whole new staff out there recruiting. Keep in mind, the (other) guys we have recruiting are also coaching."

NCAA spokeswoman Stacy Osburn has said the practice is "not all that rare." Here is a quote from her about it:

"The NCAA has certainly received similar waiver requests prior to the bowl season from universities that have recently experienced coaching staff changes," she said in an email to The Associated Press. "When granted, these waivers are temporary, typically lasting through the bowl game, and only provide relief from maximum number of coaches allowed to be employed by the school. To prevent competitive advantage, the university still cannot exceed the number of coaches allowed to recruit at any one time and the amount of coaches allowed on the sidelines remains the same."

University of Michigan head coach Brady Hoke on the waiver for Ohio State:

"It's different. That would be my reaction. I've never heard of it," he said. "Is that an advantage? Yeah, I think so."

I think Brady Hoke needs to do some research. When the school he is currently coaching for was transitioning between outgoing head coach Lloyd Carr and incoming head coach Rich Rodriguez (whom Brady Hoke replaced as head coach at Michigan), they applied for and were granted the exact same waiver.

However, when Hoke was replacing Rodriguez as head coach of Michigan, the Wolverines were not bowl eligible therefore this waiver did not apply to them, as their season was over.

I think the problem most fans and some coaches are having with this is the impact the hiring of Urban Meyer is having on Ohio State's recruiting for the 2012 class. Meyer has been on it's been rumored upwards of forty phone calls a day. Once it was announced that Meyer would be the new head coach in Columbus, Ohio and would be allowed to recruit, kids started contacting him immediately in hopes of Meyer being interested in them. Recruits that were not associated with Ohio State before the Urban Meyer hiring are now looking at Ohio State as a place they would like to play college football.

This isn't the fault of the NCAA granting a waiver to the Ohio State Buckeyes. Instead, it is the result of going from instability to stability in a coaching staff and hiring the best head coach available to take over the Ohio State football program.
 
Either way....next year will be fun........Fuck Brady Hoke and his whiny ass. He's in a for a horseshoe beatdown this year......:punk:
 
Do you understand what the word prove means? What about facts?

FACT: Llyod Carr and his entire staff were employed by the University of Michigan until after the Capital One Bowl

FACT: Rich Rodriguez along with 'some' of his WV staff were hired by the University of Michigan on December 17th meaning that the total number of coaches employed by the football team on December 17th was at least 13 and possibly more.

FACT: Without a waiver, the NCAA limits paid coaches to 10. It limits coaches who may recruit to 7. I will not argue how many were recruiting because I do not know when RR hired the remaining 7 coaches, though RB coach Fred Jackson was retained from Carr's staff. So the arguement could be made UM only had 4 recruiters. New coaches can not coach the team as it prepares for it's bowl, even with the waiver.

FACT: You need the waiver even if there isn't much recruiting (again, Rodriguez did get 2 commits prior to the 'dead' period). Even in your simple mind, 13 doesn't go into 10. Maybe I should call Rosenberg at the Freep and let him know about the 'cheating' so there can be another bogus investigation...

FACT: The University of Michigan did not need the waiver when Hoke was hired because Michigan's season was over with. Michigan State did not need one when Dantonio was hired as the season was over.

FACT: If a team has fired it's coach (or he retires), and that coach is allowed to finish the season by coaching the bowl game, and a new coach is hired prior to the 'dead' period, that team needs to request a waiver just like Ohio State did (and most likely Illinois, Arizona State, Texas A&M, UCLA, etc.).

FACT: A waiver is not required if the hire is during the 'dead' period in recruiting, but the new coaches can not be involved in 'coaching' the current team.

Show where any of these facts are wrong.
 
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Either way....next year will be fun........Fuck Brady Hoke and his whiny ass. He's in a for a horseshoe beatdown this year......:punk:

Yep, everything went their way, including the schedule. Looking forward to MSU giving them another beat down just on principle.
 
FACT: Llyod Carr and his entire staff were employed by the University of Michigan until after the Capital One Bowl

FACT: Rich Rodriguez along with 'some' of his WV staff were hired by the University of Michigan on December 17th meaning that the total number of coaches employed by the football team on December 17th was at least 13 and possibly more.

FACT: Without a waiver, the NCAA limits paid coaches to 10. It limits coaches who may recruit to 7. I will not argue how many were recruiting because I do not know when RR hired the remaining 7 coaches, though RB coach Fred Jackson was retained from Carr's staff. So the arguement could be made UM only had 4 recruiters. New coaches can not coach the team as it prepares for it's bowl, even with the waiver.

FACT: You need the waiver even if there isn't much recruiting (again, Rodriguez did get 2 commits prior to the 'dead' period). Even in your simple mind, 13 doesn't go into 10. Maybe I should call Rosenberg at the Freep and let him know about the 'cheating' so there can be another bogus investigation...

FACT: The University of Michigan did not need the waiver when Hoke was hired because Michigan's season was over with. Michigan State did not need one when Dantonio was hired as the season was over.

FACT: If a team has fired it's coach (or he retires), and that coach is allowed to finish the season by coaching the bowl game, and a new coach is hired prior to the 'dead' period, that team needs to request a waiver just like Ohio State did (and most likely Illinois, Arizona State, Texas A&M, UCLA, etc.).

FACT: A waiver is not required if the hire is during the 'dead' period in recruiting, but the new coaches can not be involved in 'coaching' the current team.

Show where any of these facts are wrong.

I'm not reading through any of that drivel until you can prove your facts.

fact, Swift is a retard. See 99.9999% of posts in this thread alone, or ask him about guns or politics.

See, there's proof to back up this fact. This fact is also backed up with proof: MSU plays convicts.
 
Another fact: MSU lost to ND and got trounced by Nebraska. both teams which Michigan went on to beat.

Another fact: MSU is going to a toilet bowl

Another fact: Michigan is going to a BCS bowl

Another Fact: Texas has self imploded 2 season in a row making Webleed look stupid.

Another Fact: Swift is a retard.



Do you see the point of facts and proof? All of those can be proven (If you so desired) with previous events, historical data, or current events. Nothing about Rich Rod and Michigan getting the same damn extension has yet to be shown as anything more than a figment of your own fantasy land. Until you can prove it, you're just further proving how insanely retarded you are.
 
Another fact: MSU lost to ND and got trounced by Nebraska. both teams which Michigan went on to beat.

Another fact: MSU is going to a toilet bowl

Another fact: Michigan is going to a BCS bowl

Another Fact: Texas has self imploded 2 season in a row making Webleed look stupid.

Another Fact: Swift is a retard.



Do you see the point of facts and proof? All of those can be proven (If you so desired) with previous events, historical data, or current events. Nothing about Rich Rod and Michigan getting the same damn extension has yet to be shown as anything more than a figment of your own fantasy land. Until you can prove it, you're just further proving how insanely retarded you are.

Hey retard, every date I pulled came straight out of 'Three and Out', right down to the dates. I didn't get into RR's assistants as I'm moving and the book went over to the new place yesterday. Learn how to read and go buy the book.

Oh, and FACT: MSU kicked Michigan's ass for the 4th year in a row, and did it by two touchdowns. Keep thumping your chest over beating some overhyped teams at home. You have to play them all on the road next year like MSU did this year. Your reservations are being held for you in Jacksonville for next years Gator Bowl...
 
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Hey retard, every date I pulled came straight out of 'Three and Out', right down to the dates. I didn't get into RR's assistants as I'm moving and the book went over to the new place yesterday. Learn how to read and go buy the book.

Oh, and FACT: MSU kicked Michigan's ass for the 4th year in a row, and did it by two touchdowns. Keep thumping your chest over beating some overhyped teams at home. You have to play them all on the road next year like MSU did this year. Your reservations are being held for you in Jacksonville for next years Gator Bowl...

Our schedule next year makes the one you Spartys had this year look like a cake walk. If we end up 8-4...I will be happy. Steak dinner on U of M beating Sparty next year?
 
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Another fact: MSU lost to ND and got trounced by Nebraska. both teams which Michigan went on to beat.

Another fact: MSU is going to a toilet bowl

Another fact: Michigan is going to a BCS bowl

Another Fact: Texas has self imploded 2 season in a row making Webleed look stupid.

Another Fact: Swift is a retard.



Do you see the point of facts and proof? All of those can be proven (If you so desired) with previous events, historical data, or current events. Nothing about Rich Rod and Michigan getting the same damn extension has yet to be shown as anything more than a figment of your own fantasy land. Until you can prove it, you're just further proving how insanely retarded you are.

Didnt make me look stupid, nobody saw the 2010 disaster comming. As for 2011 I cant predict injuries, if the injuries didnt happen Texas gets 9-10 wins. If Denard got hurt Michigan would look just like Texas, 7-8 win team.
 
Seeing that Rich Rod was hired in the post season I find that highly unlikely since the league says they will do this when a change happens mid season. Do you have any proof to back that claim up, or are you just spouting off hoping shit sticks to the walls?
Carr announced his retirement after the 2007 regular season. (mid Nov) He remained the head coach until after the bowl game. Dick Wad was hired (darkest day in Michigan history) mid December and was announced as Michigan's next head coach effective Jan 2nd after Carr's last game. He was technically a Michigan employee under contract, basically just didn't start his job until the day after the bowl game.

I can't remember what happened the next three years.... and then we hired Hoke and it's been 382 since the cheaters down south have beat Michigan in football. The End. :)
 
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