1978 Fairmont

I decided to NOT BUY this car after driving 3+ hrs each way today, I had some e-mails and phone conversations about the car and it's condition, I went as far as asking about a specific picture and was told that is was not rust, well after renting trailer and making the long haul. IT WAS RUST...

here is a rundown of things I found looking at it in person
bottom of doors rusted
right frame rail rusted
right floor at firewall rusted
core support bent
after this I kinda walked away

Ron
just wanted to give all a heads up before making a long trip to look at it

here is the floor
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here is the frame
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Sorry to hear...that really sucks. Did the seller reimburse any of your costs since it was not represented accurately?
 
Pwraddr said:
Sorry to hear...that really sucks. Did the seller reimburse any of your costs since it was not represented accurately?
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No I did not, here are some things Ron left out.
I accepted a "cash" offer yesterday afternoon, then 1/2 hour later he tells me he can't get cash but he will bring me a check as he is well known here. I normally would not do that, but since he seems to be known here I tell him its fine. I ask him multiple times if there is any other pictures he would like to see or anything like that, he declines. As far as him renting a trailer, he said he had some buddies he could borrow one from, if I had known he had to rent one we could have made other arrangements, I even offered to wait until next weekend for him to get cash together, but he insisted on coming over today.
Ron, you kept telling me how you were going to strip it down and do it all over again anyway, for the price you were paying what did you expect to get? There is value to the parts that are in this car, you wanted to pay for them and get the rest for free? If it was more work than what you wanted, fine, but don't low ball me and then try and guilt trip me afterwards over this, I would have worked with you on coming over later in the week, or even meeting you part way, but you were the one all in a rush to get it done. I told you I just needed an answer before 5pm sunday one way or the other.
You also make the car sound like it's a rusted out pile, really? post the rest of the pics of the car and let people decide for themselves, I told you when I bought it from pumpgas what he had told me, and that's how I listed it. If it's worse than what he said, then hey, I'm stupid for not seeing it when I bought the car, but to say I intentionally lied or mislead you is crap. I was fine saying it was still for sale and leaving it at that, but you felt the need to post here afterwards.
Thanks for nothing.
 
prosandguy said:
No I did not, here are some things Ron left out.
I accepted a "cash" offer yesterday afternoon, then 1/2 hour later he tells me he can't get cash but he will bring me a check as he is well known here. I normally would not do that, but since he seems to be known here I tell him its fine. I ask him multiple times if there is any other pictures he would like to see or anything like that, he declines. As far as him renting a trailer, he said he had some buddies he could borrow one from, if I had known he had to rent one we could have made other arrangements, I even offered to wait until next weekend for him to get cash together, but he insisted on coming over today.
Ron, you kept telling me how you were going to strip it down and do it all over again anyway, for the price you were paying what did you expect to get? There is value to the parts that are in this car, you wanted to pay for them and get the rest for free? If it was more work than what you wanted, fine, but don't low ball me and then try and guilt trip me afterwards over this, I would have worked with you on coming over later in the week, or even meeting you part way, but you were the one all in a rush to get it done. I told you I just needed an answer before 5pm sunday one way or the other.
You also make the car sound like it's a rusted out pile, really? post the rest of the pics of the car and let people decide for themselves, I told you when I bought it from pumpgas what he had told me, and that's how I listed it. If it's worse than what he said, then hey, I'm stupid for not seeing it when I bought the car, but to say I intentionally lied or mislead you is crap. I was fine saying it was still for sale and leaving it at that, but you felt the need to post here afterwards.
Thanks for nothing.
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YES you sent me pics, YES I asked you about the spot on the floor and your answer was NO RUST, I told you I could not do this during the week and had to do it today because I work 6 days a week, when we made the deal I was still at work and bank closes at 1pm I offered you at that point the check and told you I would show you that I had funds to clear it, YES I am very well known around here and many other websites, YES I was going to strip the car down and redo it but that does not mean dealing with rust, I NEVER SAID it was a pile of shit I just know that most of the guys looking at it were from my area and figured I would post some pics to show them before they made the long haul like I did..YES I had a friend with trailer but could not hook up on short notice with our work schedules,
to be honest I was really shocked that after I pointed everything out that you did not counter offer so I would take it, your words were well it is your drive.... as far as low ball offer, I made you a serious offer and you said ok if you could keep some of the parts and I agreed as I will not use them.

as far as "what did I expect to get" I expected to get like the ad said a RUST FREE car, you advertised it and told me that so I took you for your word

I never wanted to make this a pissing contest just to give the others heads up and if you were true to your word you would have no problem with what I posted

BTW when I advertise a car as "RUST FREE" it is rust free, you can ask around I have bought and sold many things and always advertise it the way it is

Ron
 
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have to agree when something is said to be rust free it should be rust free not have frame rails half rotted away.
had a guy drive from Chicago to pick up my roller I sent him pictures from every angle and every door ding I could possibly get. If you knew the guy was driving 3 hrs should of been upfront about the rust.
 
Ron, I wasn't going to counter you because you had already stretched me further than I wanted to go. I knew my bottom dollar and I was already there.
So your saying you would have bought it if I had gone lower? Than whats the issue? You didn't want to pay that much for the car, I really didn't want to take less. If you had got there and it was nicer than you expected would you have paid more? Where the frame rail has an issue is under the factory battery location, if I was trying to hide it it would have been easy enough to put the mounting bracket back in, but I didn't think it was an issue so I left it out. I wasn't trying to hide anything! It's hard enough for me to buy on here, much less sell something, with me living on the opposite side of the state, why would I want to get a bad rep?
I would have done quite a bit to make this deal happen, I even offered to meet in Lansing or something next weekend if you had wanted, without getting any $ upfront. I was honestly looking forward to meeting someone else from here, as I don't know many people here at all, but it didn't work out at all. I'm pretty easy going, I an would have worked with you however you wanted to, and I thought after we talked on the phone we were good, but I guess not.
 
MentalMisfit said:
have to agree when something is said to be rust free it should be rust free not have frame rails half rotted away.
had a guy drive from Chicago to pick up my roller I sent him pictures from every angle and every door ding I could possibly get. If you knew the guy was driving 3 hrs should of been upfront about the rust.
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couldn't have said it better myself...if it's any consolation..i drove 2 hrs last week to look at a rust free notch..and he sent pics..just not of the rotted out trunk floor and strut towers..i was just blown away..speechless..i think i cussed for about a good 20 minutes on the ride home..lol
 
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prosandguy said:
Ron, I wasn't going to counter you because you had already stretched me further than I wanted to go. I knew my bottom dollar and I was already there.
So your saying you would have bought it if I had gone lower? Than whats the issue? You didn't want to pay that much for the car, I really didn't want to take less. If you had got there and it was nicer than you expected would you have paid more? Where the frame rail has an issue is under the factory battery location, if I was trying to hide it it would have been easy enough to put the mounting bracket back in, but I didn't think it was an issue so I left it out. I wasn't trying to hide anything! It's hard enough for me to buy on here, much less sell something, with me living on the opposite side of the state, why would I want to get a bad rep?
I would have done quite a bit to make this deal happen, I even offered to meet in Lansing or something next weekend if you had wanted, without getting any $ upfront. I was honestly looking forward to meeting someone else from here, as I don't know many people here at all, but it didn't work out at all. I'm pretty easy going, I an would have worked with you however you wanted to, and I thought after we talked on the phone we were good, but I guess not.
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I am not saying I would have bought it if you lowered the price, I am just saying you made me drive for over 6 hrs and you were like oh well it is what it is, anyone who knows me knows that I do things the right way when building a car, my last car won 1st place at Autorama, feature car in MM&FF..
I asked you specifically about the floor and you told me several times that it was not a rust hole, I just wish you would have been honest

here are some pics of the last roller I sold to a member here, I listed the car just the way it was and sold it for not much more than I offered you and this car had WAY MORE parts

Mustang roller
RUST FREE
fresh sonic blue paint
new 10pt cage
thru floor subframe connectors
strange spool,4.10,strange race axles "not SS"
5 lug
new Weld Pro-Stars
full rear Team Z suspension
manual rack
sumped tank with fittings
like new interior
and much more to go with it

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NOTE RUST FREE FRAME RAILS
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prosandguy said:
Ron, I wasn't going to counter you because you had already stretched me further than I wanted to go. I knew my bottom dollar and I was already there.
So your saying you would have bought it if I had gone lower? Than whats the issue? You didn't want to pay that much for the car, I really didn't want to take less. If you had got there and it was nicer than you expected would you have paid more? Where the frame rail has an issue is under the factory battery location, if I was trying to hide it it would have been easy enough to put the mounting bracket back in, but I didn't think it was an issue so I left it out. I wasn't trying to hide anything! It's hard enough for me to buy on here, much less sell something, with me living on the opposite side of the state, why would I want to get a bad rep?
I would have done quite a bit to make this deal happen, I even offered to meet in Lansing or something next weekend if you had wanted, without getting any $ upfront. I was honestly looking forward to meeting someone else from here, as I don't know many people here at all, but it didn't work out at all. I'm pretty easy going, I an would have worked with you however you wanted to, and I thought after we talked on the phone we were good, but I guess not.
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Issac
I never meant for this to be a bashing session, it is a nice car that needs work and like I told you I only start with a rust free car. I am sure someone will buy it, not everyone is as picky as I am, I did not post pics of the problems to ruin your sale simply to show others what needs to be done if they buy it

Ron
 
+Rep for looking out for fellow Motown members.

The rust would have been a deal breaker for myself on this as well.

BADBIRD said:
Issac
I never meant for this to be a bashing session, it is a nice car that needs work and like I told you I only start with a rust free car. I am sure someone will buy it, not everyone is as picky as I am, I did not post pics of the problems to ruin your sale simply to show others what needs to be done if they buy it

Ron
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Well, after a little "cooling down" period, I realize that I'm gonna pay "stupid tax" on this car, serves me right for taking someone elses word on how good the car was underneath instead of really checking it out. Guess that came back to bite me in the ass, how I hate it when that happens.
Ron, that mustang is incredible, I'll be nicer in person than the pics do it justice too. I'll go on record here and say when the Fairmont sells, I'll make sure you get some compensation for your time from sunday, I've always been a stand up guy and that seems like the right thing to do.
That all being said, I still need to move this, so I'm adjusting the price to a level I feel the car is at, as always feel free to let me know if you do not feel it is.

New price, $2600 with most extra stuff, or $2200 roller.
 
prosandguy said:
Well, after a little "cooling down" period, I realize that I'm gonna pay "stupid tax" on this car, serves me right for taking someone elses word on how good the car was underneath instead of really checking it out. Guess that came back to bite me in the ass, how I hate it when that happens.
Ron, that mustang is incredible, I'll be nicer in person than the pics do it justice too. I'll go on record here and say when the Fairmont sells, I'll make sure you get some compensation for your time from sunday, I've always been a stand up guy and that seems like the right thing to do.
That all being said, I still need to move this, so I'm adjusting the price to a level I feel the car is at, as always feel free to let me know if you do not feel it is.

New price, $2600 with most extra stuff, or $2200 roller.
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PM Sent

Ron
 
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