Yep, the world has gone insane

DetroitStyle said:
I don't have any experience with new Toyotas. But the 80s/90s/2000s Toyotas are built like absolute tanks. Far superior to domestic trucks and SUVs of the era

Watch this and try not to be amazed

Part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl1FNX08HFc

Part 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUWMc92W1wQ

Part 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9Yy5P6FUes
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I agree with you. Toyota builds incredible quality, but they don't full understand how we use trucks in the USA. Google "Toyota Bent Tailgate" and see all the pics on both Tacoma and Tundra. They even sell reinforcement panels because it is such a known issue.

-Geoff
 
My brother had 3 fairly low mileage diesel/gas 2500/3500 late model pickup trucks. He tows a camper, car trailer... they get usage (don't ask me why he needed so many trucks...impulsive buying I guess)
Dealer gave him 140k for all 3 + a new Nissan high top commercial cargo Van. The van he likes, has a 9500 tow capacity, 375hp, 5year 100k (no deductible) bumper to bumper warranty. Lots of options for towing. He's already towed his camper with it... said it pulls/ tows just as good as his pickup trucks did.
They retail for just over 30K. Pretty reasonable compared to today's truck/car prices for something this heavy duty. https://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/commercial/nv-cargo.html
 
Detroit Gearbox said:
My brother had 3 fairly low mileage diesel/gas 2500/3500 late model pickup trucks. He tows a camper, car trailer... they get usage (don't ask me why he needed so many trucks...impulsive buying I guess)
Dealer gave him 140k for all 3 + a new Nissan high top commercial cargo Van. The van he likes, has a 9500 tow capacity, 375hp, 5year 100k (no deductible) bumper to bumper warranty. Lots of options for towing. He's already towed his camper with it... said it pulls/ tows just as good as his pickup trucks did.
They retail for just over 30K. Pretty reasonable compared to today's truck/car prices for something this heavy duty. https://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/commercial/nv-cargo.html
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Wow sounds like he made out pretty good.
 
WhiteHawk said:
I agree with you. Toyota builds incredible quality, but they don't full understand how we use trucks in the USA. Google "Toyota Bent Tailgate" and see all the pics on both Tacoma and Tundra. They even sell reinforcement panels because it is such a known issue.

-Geoff
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Oh yeah, agreed. I think the overall toughness has gone down significantly.

I both hated and loved the WD Hilux videos, because that was perfect example of a dream truck for me... so I hated seeing it destroyed, but loved how it more than lived up to the reputation.
 
DetroitStyle said:
Oh yeah, agreed. I think the overall toughness has gone down significantly.

I both hated and loved the WD Hilux videos, because that was perfect example of a dream truck for me... so I hated seeing it destroyed, but loved how it more than lived up to the reputation.
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He started to balance it out with destroying that squatted truck. I think at the end he felt a little bad for the Hilux.
 
The car market is nuts… wasn’t looking to sell my foxbody vert, but it was worth more to someone else than it was to me, so I let it go. My parents have been offered $137,000 ($30k over sticker) for their C8 convertible.
 
Tundras have been pieces of shit since they came out, but Toyota is an expert at marketing and turd polishing. Tacoma, it's fine, if you like self-lightening vehicles. You may even get a free frame out of the deal!

Self-grenading rear end wasn't limited to the Nissan Titan, it came courtesy of your favorite Tundra with an equally 1/4 ton rated rear end.
Who can forget the iFarce V8s and their camshafts?
What about a steering system that mimics a Kia but wears out even faster and balljoint failures that actually caused you to be unable to steer?
Who builds a tailgate that wrinkles up at the first hint of stress like a Honda Ridgeline's C-pillar? Toyota does! It's Japanese solidarity after all, wouldn't want Honda to feel the shame all by itself.
I could go on and on, but at the end of the day the Tundra is the Camry of the truck world. Barely sufficient, equally embarrassing to drive, but it will get you there, eventually, and if you are ignorant to better options you will be content.


I will be honest though, they have come a long ways. Especially when the phallic looking ones came out in 2007 complete with the droop snoot and a rear axle that didn't look like it belonged in a FJ40. Exercising the lean methodology, Toyota is fine with testing on the customer's dime/time to eventually meet the minimum specification... from half a decade ago.

tundraknowshowtotow.jpg
 
$2500 ceramic installed by a dealer as well. Lmaoooo! $40k adjustment. Thanks for posting that. How insane.
 
The MSRP of nearly 50k is already dumb let alone the extra 50k from the dealership. It must be the only one left in California or something.
 
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