What kind of dog??

Naturally they are afraid if they thing it is a pit bull...sheesh :shake:

Looks like a American Bulldog or a mix. Like Al said probably American Bulldog possibly mixed with a pit bull. Isn't the greatest pic to tell though. Could be a pure poorly breed AB or APBT too.

I'm sure if it was a Golden retriever wagging it's tail, tounge hanging out, happily greating the picture taker that they should be afraid of it as well. Please be real. They are a very strong breed with a propensity to be trained wrong and as such are more apt to attack randomly with more damage than other breeds. If it was my kids that she was babysitting I'd be concerned as well. If the dog was on the fence just looking to get petted or greet a new face, then my concern would go dramatically, but it's not. Obviously the dog is territory aggressive and as such would more than likely attack if a kid got into its yard or possibly attack if it got out. So they have every right to be afraid.
 
I'm sure if it was a Golden retriever wagging it's tail, tounge hanging out, happily greating the picture taker that they should be afraid of it as well. Please be real. They are a very strong breed with a propensity to be trained wrong and as such are more apt to attack randomly with more damage than other breeds. If it was my kids that she was babysitting I'd be concerned as well. If the dog was on the fence just looking to get petted or greet a new face, then my concern would go dramatically, but it's not. Obviously the dog is territory aggressive and as such would more than likely attack if a kid got into its yard or possibly attack if it got out. So they have every right to be afraid.



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I was gonna say something but didnt want to get all the pro-bully breed people in a riot. The reality is that pits (and a few other bully dogs) will be feared. Any animal that has the look, muscle build, and strength those dogs have will be feared. Good dog or not.
 
I'm sure if it was a Golden retriever wagging it's tail, tounge hanging out, happily greating the picture taker that they should be afraid of it as well. Please be real. They are a very strong breed with a propensity to be trained wrong and as such are more apt to attack randomly with more damage than other breeds. If it was my kids that she was babysitting I'd be concerned as well. If the dog was on the fence just looking to get petted or greet a new face, then my concern would go dramatically, but it's not. Obviously the dog is territory aggressive and as such would more than likely attack if a kid got into its yard or possibly attack if it got out. So they have every right to be afraid.

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I was gonna say something but didnt want to get all the pro-bully breed people in a riot. The reality is that pits (and a few other bully dogs) will be feared. Any animal that has the look, muscle build, and strength those dogs have will be feared. Good dog or not.


X10000000001 Agreed, I don't care what kind of dog that is, he doesn't look freindly, and I'd be concerned about putting my hand over the fence to pet him. *puts on flame resistant suit* Ok, pro-bully breed people GO! :lol:
 
I agree that it does look intimidating and it could inflict some serious damage if it wanted to. But there has been multiple times i've walked up to dogs like that and pet them without any problems. 99% of dogs will react to you being scared of them. It's natural. I am never scared of any dog unless it gives me good reason to be.

On topic i agree with Al's post.
 
I agree that it does look intimidating and it could inflict some serious damage if it wanted to. But there has been multiple times i've walked up to dogs like that and pet them without any problems. 99% of dogs will react to you being scared of them. It's natural. I am never scared of any dog unless it gives me good reason to be.

On topic i agree with Al's post.



So do you ignore the barking, growling, aggressive stance, etc and just say "here puppy...come here boy" ? :hugegrin:
 
:ohmy: better man than me, if i dont know the dog then its :flip:



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Theres only been 1 dog I couldn't get to relax and that was my old neighbors pitbull that was almost completely blind, he is named Blue. When he was a puppy people would walk through the alley and taunt him and throw rocks at him (fenced in backyard) until his owner got wind of it. Soooo when he got big he was VERY defensive of his space and lets people know it's HIS yard. I don't blame him. :lmao:

I will say he wasn't aggressive, he just made sure you heard his bark and saw his size -- not like he tried to eat his way through the fence to get at ya. :lmao:
 
First off you shouldn't reach over a fence and pet ANY dog you don't know! That is just common sense and if people actually used common sense when it comes to dogs there would be FAR LESS problems.

It's amazing that you can judge by 1 picture that the dog is aggressive and has territorial issues.I'm sure there are tons of trainers and behaviorists that would love to have your expertise at their disposal :roll: MANY dogs of all breeds big and small bark in their yards :shake:

I have no problem admitting that pit bulls are feared. Doesn't mean that the ridiculous stupidity of it can't frustrate me.

I'm sure it could inflict major damage if it wanted to. So could any medium/large breed dog!

The main question is why wouldn't they just go talk to the neighbor? Idiots own every breed and so do responsible owners. Go over there and talk to the damn people!
 
First off you shouldn't reach over a fence and pet ANY dog you don't know! That is just common sense and if people actually used common sense when it comes to dogs there would be FAR LESS problems.

It's amazing that you can judge by 1 picture that the dog is aggressive and has territorial issues.I'm sure there are tons of trainers and behaviorists that would love to have your expertise at their disposal :roll: MANY dogs of all breeds big and small bark in their yards :shake:

I have no problem admitting that pit bulls are feared. Doesn't mean that the ridiculous stupidity of it can't frustrate me.

I'm sure it could inflict major damage if it wanted to. So could any medium/large breed dog!

The main question is why wouldn't they just go talk to the neighbor? Idiots own every breed and so do responsible owners. Go over there and talk to the damn people!

Who said anything about reaching over the fence and petting the dog?

As for judging dogs behavior, I'm not a trainer for sure, but I have been trained to read a dogs stance and look to asertain whether the animal is agressive or not. I'm not saying that dog would bite you if you were to get into their yard or it to get out, but it's definitely not passive. Hence the stance. If it was passive, you'd see a much different submissive stance.

I do find it frustrating that people who defend bully breeds tend to overlook the people involved with the animals. We're talking about kids here, not even their own, that they are responsible for, yet it's frustrating for a parent to be concerned that their kid could be in a situation very close to an aggressive dog? Since when is questioning a dog who is obviously not an easy going, playful, cuddly a sin? If it was my kids I'd be doing the same thing. But then again, I don't tend to care what the breed is. If it's defensive of it's territory I'm going to want to make sure it's not going to get to my kids.

As for the original question. I think it's more of a bet type situation. They probalby don't care 100% about the situation and it was more of a rabbit trail question.
 
Look at the stance? Is that all you got? You are not an expert, Ryan. Your judgement is not the know all end all on this because I'd say the stance is more "hey, I wanna play!" but I'm no expert either.
I lived next to a family with a very mean looking boxer but I could put my hand over the fence and pet it all day long (I was never properly introduced to the dog by the owner either). That's what he looked like when he wanted to play because he was ready to jump and run up and down the fence chasing a ball.

Personal experience, I'd be more apprehensive around a dalmatian than any bully breed. People just go off what the media shows. Yes, they get mistreated and/or trained by shitty owners but that can go for any dog. Not just bully breeds. Stop feeding off the stereotype and automatically assuming something.
 
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Look at the stance? Is that all you got? You are not an expert, Ryan. Your judgement is not the know all end all on this because I'd say the stance is more "hey, I wanna play!" but I'm no expert either.
I lived next to a family with a very mean looking boxer but I could put my hand over the fence and pet it all day long (I was never properly introduced to the dog by the owner either). That's what he looked like when he wanted to play because he was ready to jump and run up and down the fence chasing a ball.

Personal experience, I'd be more apprehensive around a dalmatian than any bully breed. People just go off what the media shows. Yes, they get mistreated and/or trained by shitty owners but that can go for any dog. Not just bully breeds. Stop feeding off the stereotype and automatically assuming something.

I'm not feeding off the stereotype. I have been working in the dog business for a while now. I've been through extensive training about reading a dog. A dog's head is an indicator, the stance of the legs, the hackles. All are part of the bigger picture. The argument that just because this is a bully breed we should tip toe around it is idiotic at best. The fact remains that a parent is concerned that there is a dog next door to where their kids will be watched and somehow they are the bad guys.

Do you mean to tell me that the jaws of a dalmation are more powerful than that of a bully breed? Have you ever been bit by a bully breed? There's a reason that they are trained to fight, and it has nothing to do with the lack of brains in their head. They are powerful animals. Again it's all dependant on the training that they have had, but just like any other dog has the ability to protect its territory and bite someone who enters it, a Bully breed does too. The difference is that I guarantee you that that dog can do a ton more damage in a shorter time frame to a kid who wanders into his yard looking to get the ball that went over the fence than if my dog attacked them. So a parent being concerned about it is not a bad thing.
 
play fetch with it? maybe tug of war with a rope?

Id let the owner know what yer up to, But I would suggest spending time with him if yer nervious about it.
 
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First off you shouldn't reach over a fence and pet ANY dog you don't know! That is just common sense and if people actually used common sense when it comes to dogs there would be FAR LESS problems.

It's amazing that you can judge by 1 picture that the dog is aggressive and has territorial issues.I'm sure there are tons of trainers and behaviorists that would love to have your expertise at their disposal :roll: MANY dogs of all breeds big and small bark in their yards :shake:

I have no problem admitting that pit bulls are feared. Doesn't mean that the ridiculous stupidity of it can't frustrate me.

I'm sure it could inflict major damage if it wanted to. So could any medium/large breed dog!

The main question is why wouldn't they just go talk to the neighbor? Idiots own every breed and so do responsible owners. Go over there and talk to the damn people!

As an owner of a Bullmastiff and as of recently an American Bulldog I have to say that it is my humble opinion that you're statement about medium/large breed dogs and the amount of damage they can inflict is ridiculous. You and I both know these breeds tend to very muscular and are capable of inflicting (in most cases) a lot more damage then most other dogs. Personally, I feel turning a blind eye to that fact is simply reckless. Yes the breeds are demonized and plagued by peoples fear to the point of extreme ignorance but we have to keep in mind why. The media and ignorant owners do a damned good job of making sure people are scared of the breeds. Yeah some of us know and understand it is largely the result of propaganda and mass hysteria but we also have to understand why so many people feel this way. It's difficult not to get annoyed by peoples ignorance since "everyone knows about dogs" (yeah right!) But at the same its our job to not show our frustrations so much as it is to try to educate people without seeming to have an agenda to "push". Sorry for the rant. That all being said my best dog ever was a rottie that was a certified therapy and cgc whom also brought home a ton of medals from obedience trials. On the other hand my most aggressive dog ever was my flyball dog who was a blue heeler and tried to kill anyone that wasnt me. LOL
 
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As an owner of a Bullmastiff and as of recently an American Bulldog I have to say that it is my humble opinion that you're statement about medium/large breed dogs and the amount of damage they can inflict is ridiculous. You and I both know these breeds tend to very muscular and are capable of inflicting (in most cases) a lot more damage then most other dogs. Personally, I feel turning a blind eye to that fact is simply reckless. Yes the breeds are demonized and plagued by peoples fear to the point of extreme ignorance but we have to keep in mind why. The media and ignorant owners do a damned good job of making sure people are scared of the breeds. Yeah some of us know and understand it is largely the result of propaganda and mass hysteria but we also have to understand why so many people feel this way. It's difficult not to get annoyed by peoples ignorance since "everyone knows about dogs" (yeah right!) But at the same its our job to not show our frustrations so much as it is to try to educate people without seeming to have an agenda to "push". Sorry for the rant. That all being said my best dog ever was a rottie that was a certified therapy and cgc whom also brought home a ton of medals from obedience trials. On the other hand my most aggressive dog ever was my flyball dog who was a blue heeler and tried to kill anyone that wasnt me. LOL

OMG! A bully defender that is a realist and not an extremest know it all!

+1 to you sir!
 
Stalker...patman made a comment about reaching over the fence and petting the dog. Which is why I said that.

I'm not feeding off the stereotype. I have been working in the dog business for a while now. I've been through extensive training about reading a dog. A dog's head is an indicator, the stance of the legs, the hackles. All are part of the bigger picture. The argument that just because this is a bully breed we should tip toe around it is idiotic at best. The fact remains that a parent is concerned that there is a dog next door to where their kids will be watched and somehow they are the bad guys.

Do you mean to tell me that the jaws of a dalmation are more powerful than that of a bully breed? Have you ever been bit by a bully breed? There's a reason that they are trained to fight, and it has nothing to do with the lack of brains in their head. They are powerful animals. Again it's all dependant on the training that they have had, but just like any other dog has the ability to protect its territory and bite someone who enters it, a Bully breed does too. The difference is that I guarantee you that that dog can do a ton more damage in a shorter time frame to a kid who wanders into his yard looking to get the ball that went over the fence than if my dog attacked them. So a parent being concerned about it is not a bad thing.

Obviously you need to do more training on reading a dog. I can lend you someDVD's which are awesome and show the dogs while active displaying behaviors. Raised hackles really mean nothing. Yes they CAN be an indicator of aggression. But they CAN ALSO be a sign of excitement. You can not judge a dogs behavior from 1 picture. That is the point there are MANY indicators that show fear, stress aggression. But it is the package of the behaviors all together that will read the dog. You can not tell that from 1 picture. You also can not tell that from a dog who barks in its yard as almost all dogs do.

FYI pit bulls are not "trained" to fight. They can be conditioned to be better fighters, but not trained. Their drive to fight starts in the genetic make up of the dog. That is why winning dogs are breed more. WHich does not make a difference because dog aggression has nothing to do with people aggression and wouldn't be an indicator that the dog would bite a kid. actual real fighting dogs are breed to be loving and tolerant of humans as they have to be handled by the other dogs owners and split up during fights.

I am not saying whether the people do or do not have a right to be concerned about this dog. Just expressing my frustration that it is almost definitly based on the fact they believe it is a pit bull. It is very frustrating.

Can a pit bull do a lot of damage. They most certainly can. They are an incredibly strong, muscular and athletic breed. Just because they can,doesn't mean they will. Also...rottwielers have a stronger jaw than a pit bull :D

I guess my point is if they have a concern about the dog why wouldn't they go over there and talk to the people!

As an owner of a Bullmastiff and as of recently an American Bulldog I have to say that it is my humble opinion that you're statement about medium/large breed dogs and the amount of damage they can inflict is ridiculous. You and I both know these breeds tend to very muscular and are capable of inflicting (in most cases) a lot more damage then most other dogs. Personally, I feel turning a blind eye to that fact is simply reckless. Yes the breeds are demonized and plagued by peoples fear to the point of extreme ignorance but we have to keep in mind why. The media and ignorant owners do a damned good job of making sure people are scared of the breeds. Yeah some of us know and understand it is largely the result of propaganda and mass hysteria but we also have to understand why so many people feel this way. It's difficult not to get annoyed by peoples ignorance since "everyone knows about dogs" (yeah right!) But at the same its our job to not show our frustrations so much as it is to try to educate people without seeming to have an agenda to "push". Sorry for the rant. That all being said my best dog ever was a rottie that was a certified therapy and cgc whom also brought home a ton of medals from obedience trials. On the other hand my most aggressive dog ever was my flyball dog who was a blue heeler and tried to kill anyone that wasnt me. LOL

As I said above....I can understand the concern and am quite familar with the hysteria. I spend countless hours educating people about the breed.

I have a right to be frustrated and sometimes I show it. Sometimes I don't.

also see above regarding the the damage that can be done by the breed. YEs they can, doesn't mean they will. There are numerous breeds that can do alot of damage...actually way too many to list. I don't think it is reckless to say that other breeds can and do bite and do damage.

OMG! A bully defender that is a realist and not an extremest know it all!

+1 to you sir!

Call me whatever you want. As of late I don't even bother with this bullshit. Too many of you living under the cover of media hysteria to bother with.
 
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