To Protect and Serve...

[cjmatt]

Could the cop have been a little easier on him? yes

If I was the cop, just chased down a tinted out escalade and a HUUUGE black guy jumped out of the vehicle before I had time to approach it, would I be wary....Hell yeahhhh. The cop was not his buddy, didnt know who he was or the situation, the cops job was to keep the situation under control. He was just following the "Vehicle didnt pull over when he saw the sirens, then guy jumped out of vehicle" procedure from the handbook

 

[jdustu]

Or maybe you're ignorant for assuming the Chief of Police isn't trying to do damage control, is being political to achieve his own goals, or isn't like any other "CEO" who is oblivious to everyday operations like most people in charge are at most larger departments/companies. You say good cops are in the minority, and I say you're wrong. In case you didn't know, failing to pull over when a cop has his lights/sirens on attempting to pull you over is a felony, even if your mommy is sick. While I agree its a terrible situation, you are letting your hatred toward cops blind you from the facts that the driver was wrong in his actions.

I don't think anyone is saying he didn't break the law. But I don't think he handled himself differently than most normal people would have. Extreme circumstance call for a different level of discretion, and even when confronted with the situation the cop was a complete asshole.

His "mommy" wasn't just sick, she fucking died. He missed the last moment of her life because a fucking stubborn cop wouldn't listen to reason, not just from Moats but from the nurses and other cops.

There is no doubt that the Dallas police force's reaction could have been to quell public outrage. But the tape doesn't lie, and the reaction from both the Lt. and the Chief was one of absolute disgust.

Could the cop have been a little easier on him? yes

If I was the cop, just chased down a tinted out escalade and a HUUUGE black guy jumped out of the vehicle before I had time to approach it, would I be wary....Hell yeahhhh. The cop was not his buddy, didnt know who he was or the situation, the cops job was to keep the situation under control. He was just following the "Vehicle didnt pull over when he saw the sirens, then guy jumped out of vehicle" procedure from the handbook

So if it was a huge white guy it would have been cool :lol:

Not to be a dick, but he wasn't that big...and his petite wife and another small female were the first out. I don't have an issue with him wanting to sort out the situation or even drawing his weapon, but once confronted with the reality of the relative's health, he still was a prick. I don't think putting your hazzards on gives you free reign to drive crazy, but at least it was an indication to the cops that they weren't oblivious to him. And once they pulled into the hospital and the guy's wife comes out crying he should have realized this wasn't some kind of gang activity going down.

 

[TTA]

So if it was a huge white guy it would have been cool :lol:

Here all these years I thought I got my ass kicked case I told a cop to suck my dick, it was really cause I was white! :roll:

 

[consciousthirteen]

It could have been handled better by the cop but that driver did so many things wrong...

My opinion is the Chief is doing PR saying that stuff. If he actually thought the cop did something really wrong he wouldn't be still getting paid while suspended or whatever.

 

[1980gbody]

To be completely honest I think some of you should be very embarassed by your comments. I hope you never actually have to deal with a situtation like this.

what situtation a family member whos been dying for months give me a break
my grandpa had cancer and my famliy spent alot of time with him before he died, i spent alot of time with him making sure he knows hes loved and were there for him. not to many people were at his house when he died my grandma and a couple aunts. no one said goodbye, no one had to race blowing though lights to get there and say goodbye why because we all knew his time was coming so we made the best of the time he was still here.

so your mothers dying from cancer and has less then a week to live if you realy want to say good bye and be with her why arent you in the hospital at herebedside.

i could see a difference if her mother got into a accident and was dying or it was a spur of the moment thing but it wasnt it was somthing that you can pretty much put a time limit on.

 

[00Z28SS]

There is no doubt that the Dallas police force's reaction could have been to quell public outrage. But the tape doesn't lie, and the reaction from both the Lt. and the Chief was one of absolute disgust.

You're right the tape doesn't lie. It shows an NFL player getting away from failing to pull over for the police. At the end of the day he technically got away with a felony. Why don't you try not pulling over for one local pd's and let us know how you come out of it.

 

[jdustu]

You're right the tape doesn't lie. It shows an NFL player getting away from failing to pull over for the police. At the end of the day he technically got away with a felony. Why don't you try not pulling over for one local pd's and let us know how you come out of it.

Are you kidding me?

First off, once again, what does being a NFL player have to do with anything?

He doesn't mention it once. Nobody brings it up during the entire incident. He didn't get out of it because he was anyone, he (originally) sat there for 20 minutes and got ticketed. Later the ticket was rescinded, but what the fuck is a ticket in this situation?

If I'm two blocks away from rushing to the hospital and the cop lights me up, damned straight I'm not stopping until I get to the parking lot. I'll assume the cop has more sense than you or this dumb fuck, and I'll deal with the fallout if he doesn't.

 

[jdustu]

what situtation a family member whos been dying for months give me a break
my grandpa had cancer and my famliy spent alot of time with him before he died, i spent alot of time with him making sure he knows hes loved and were there for him. not to many people were at his house when he died my grandma and a couple aunts. no one said goodbye, no one had to race blowing though lights to get there and say goodbye why because we all knew his time was coming so we made the best of the time he was still here.

so your mothers dying from cancer and has less then a week to live if you realy want to say good bye and be with her why arent you in the hospital at herebedside.

i could see a difference if her mother got into a accident and was dying or it was a spur of the moment thing but it wasnt it was somthing that you can pretty much put a time limit on.

Every circumstance is different. You have no idea what theirs was. The only thing we know is what is on the tape, and most people with common sense will look at the video and figure out pretty quickly that this guy was posing no threat. Most policeman are going to use more sense in this situation. If you watched the video you could see that there was literally NO traffic on the road. He ran the light, and he was willing to accept the ticket.

 

[jdustu]

It could have been handled better by the cop but that driver did so many things wrong...

My opinion is the Chief is doing PR saying that stuff. If he actually thought the cop did something really wrong he wouldn't be still getting paid while suspended or whatever.

You're joking, right? Police officers are suspended ALL THE TIME with pay during investigations.

According to the letter of the law, Moats did do things wrong. But I wouldn't have done things any differently under the same circumstances. The cop needed to use some discretion.

 

[YLWFVR]

Are you kidding me?

First off, once again, what does being a NFL player have to do with anything?

He doesn't mention it once. Nobody brings it up during the entire incident. He didn't get out of it because he was anyone, he (originally) sat there for 20 minutes and got ticketed. Later the ticket was rescinded, but what the fuck is a ticket in this situation?

If I'm two blocks away from rushing to the hospital and the cop lights me up, damned straight I'm not stopping until I get to the parking lot. I'll assume the cop has more sense than you or this dumb fuck, and I'll deal with the fallout if he doesn't.

Glad to see someone with some common sense. Bottom line, the cop mishandled. He clearly followed him to the hospital. If I blew a red light in a non emergency situation, do you really think i'm going to drive to a hospital? WTF. Seriously. You guys are unbelievable for defending this cop's actions. He could have written him the ticket after inside the hospital. Obviously the guy is out of his vehicle. He could have called and had it impounded. Or whatever else.

On top of everything, he was acting like a smartass to the other guy about almost being done with the ticket. Hopefully someday that cop finds himself in the same situation when he's off duty, and then needs to rush to the hospital, and gets pulled over. I bet the first thing he will do is flash his badge to his LEO buddy.

Its cops like this guy that give the good cops a bad rep.

 

[jdustu]

Does this sound like a group of guys who don't think their cop was wrong?

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/032609dnmetcopstop.3e9c080.html

Shortly before 9 a.m. Thursday, at the department's weekly crime meeting, many members of the command staff viewed the video for the first time. The reaction was one of disbelief and head shaking, said several who were present.
"People were just quiet," said Assistant Chief Floyd Simpson, who oversees the city's seven patrol stations. "Just, 'Oh, my God, I can't believe what I just saw.' "
Kunkle took the podium hours later in front of a dozen news cameras. At one point, he seemed to restrain himself from being too candid with his views on the incident.
"When we in the command staff reviewed the tapes," he said, "we were embarrassed, disappointed – it's hard to find the right words and still be professional in my role as a police chief."



The chief also praised Moats and his family for how they handled the officer's behavior.

Kunkle said the internal investigation against Powell will focus on conduct reflecting poorly on the department, as well as making unwarranted threats of arrest.
Powell also faces investigation for comments he made to another officer after the incident ended – while the video camera was still rolling. He said he "worded" a report in such a way as to justify a January police chase.
"It appears, what he said, to have been contrary to our pursuit policy," Kunkle said, "to where he may have lied about the circumstances under which the pursuit began."
The chief said any one of the charges could lead to dismissal.

And my favorite:

Asked at Thursday's news conference what officers are trained to do in such a situation, Kunkle said even someone with no police training should have known better than to do what Powell did.
"I don't know how you train for these circumstances, other than to hire people with common sense and good people skills," he said.

 

[TTA]

Every circumstance is different. You have no idea what theirs was. The only thing we know is what is on the tape, and most people with common sense will look at the video and figure out pretty quickly that this guy was posing no threat. Most policeman are going to use more sense in this situation. If you watched the video you could see that there was literally NO traffic on the road. He ran the light, and he was willing to accept the ticket.

Dude. Tell me how until you get ran through the computer how that guy/situation looked any different to that cop than any misc. wanted felon who happened to blow a light near a hospital in a carjacked truck and was spouting some bullshit story to get off, from Mr. wife with 2.5 kids and a white picket fence on the way to see a dying relative?
I don't think the cop was in the serious wrong with the guy until the nurse corroborated the dudes story, right about then the cop could have been the better man and let things slide but...

 

[00Z28SS]

Are you kidding me?

First off, once again, what does being a NFL player have to do with anything?

He doesn't mention it once. Nobody brings it up during the entire incident. He didn't get out of it because he was anyone, he (originally) sat there for 20 minutes and got ticketed. Later the ticket was rescinded, but what the fuck is a ticket in this situation?

If I'm two blocks away from rushing to the hospital and the cop lights me up, damned straight I'm not stopping until I get to the parking lot. I'll assume the cop has more sense than you or this dumb fuck, and I'll deal with the fallout if he doesn't.

And all I'm saying is regardless of the circumstances, he did break the law, which is the cops job to enforce. I'm not disagreeing that the cop couldve used better judgement, but I think people are letting the medical situation cloud the big picture of things. Running the red light wasn't the serious offense, not pulling over was. I know my luck if I pulled that I'd get tazed like a mofo.

 

[00Z28SS]

Dude. Tell me how until you get ran through the computer how that guy/situation looked any different to that cop than any misc. wanted felon who happened to blow a light near a hospital in a carjacked truck and was spouting some bullshit story to get off, from Mr. wife with 2.5 kids and a white picket fence on the way to see a dieing relative?
I don't think the cop was in the serious wrong with the guy until the nurse corroborated the dudes story, right about then the cop could have been the better man and let things slide but...

Agreed.

 

[TTA]

Does this sound like a group of guys who don't think their cop was wrong?

I obviously could be wrong but I thought in TX damn near any traffic offense except for maybe a seatbelt ticket was an arrestable offense. I didn't think the cop was bullshitting when he was telling the guy he could arrest him for blowing the light.

 

[00Z28SS]

Its cops like this guy that give the good cops a bad rep.

That's with every job bro. From Mcdonalds to Dealerships to Politicions etc.

 

[jdustu]

Dude. Tell me how until you get ran through the computer how that guy/situation looked any different to that cop than any misc. wanted felon who happened to blow a light near a hospital in a carjacked truck and was spouting some bullshit story to get off, from Mr. wife with 2.5 kids and a white picket fence on the way to see a dieing relative?
I don't think the cop was in the serious wrong with the guy until the nurse corroborated the dudes story, right about then the cop could have been the better man and let things slide but...

Well, let's see. Because his wife, her aunt, and his father-in-law are in the vehicle with him(that's his father in law in the video, he stayed behind because he feared for Ryan's safety). Because the guy actually acknowledged the cops lights by flicking on his hazards. Because he pulled in to a dead end hospital parking lot and parked. Because the cop never once tried to hear his story, and instead just kept speaking to him like he was nothing. I'll repeat myself for the 100th time: I've got no issue with the cop pulling his gun and being very cautious when they get out. But it quickly became VERY apparent that they weren't running a scam, and it would have been very simple for him to escort them into the hospital to see for himself.

And here's the first direct quote I've heard from them regarding race:

Even Ryan Moats and his distraught wife, Tamishia, downplayed the angle initially when they were asked if they thought race played a factor.
"We're not the kind of people who play the racial card," Tamishia Moats said. "We're not those people. We have been brought up in a very diverse society."
Her husband said he didn't know "if it was a racial thing," either. "I never really throw that card. From my point of view, he [Powell] wasn't going to listen to reason at all. He didn't care what I was saying."

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...land/stories/032809dnmetragland.78c7ee6e.html

 

[steve581581]

what a dumb piece of shit... he deserves to get his ass beat daily untill the father passes for holding him back from being at his wifes bedside when she died... words cannot express how discusted i am

 

[jdustu]

I obviously could be wrong but I thought in TX damn near any traffic offense except for maybe a seatbelt ticket was an arrestable offense. I didn't think the cop was bullshitting when he was telling the guy he could arrest him for blowing the light.

Beats the hell out of me, I'm quoting the Dallas Police Chief. Take it up with him.

 

[00Z28SS]

Does this sound like a group of guys who don't think their cop was wrong?

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/032609dnmetcopstop.3e9c080.html


And my favorite:

If you ask me, it sounds like the chief opening his mouth like this will without a doubt cost the city of Dallas a lot of money. This is a DREAM case for an attorney. The police Chief has already sided with his client publicly and has already dismissed his clients ticket. What a fuckin moran. He should've kept his mouth shut and let a judge dismiss the ticket. This has lawsuit written all over it.