webleedorange619
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Youre right, it wasnt "directly" said... but it was most deffinitly implied.
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Youre right, it wasnt "directly" said... but it was most deffinitly implied.
Swifster
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MSU hasn't been accused of anything since 1975. IF, this has a shread of truth, I hope names are named and the booster is arrested. I think too much time has passed for NCAA involvement, or maybe not. I hope that the MSU administration takes this serious enough to do their own investigation. Maybe this is why the Quarterback Club was being pushed away from the university. I'm glad these players didn't play at MSU.
EDIT: I would much rather deal with 5-7 to 7-5 teams yearly than have a dirty program. I personally don't think any school (or their boosters) needs to pay their players to be good at recruiting. See Northwestern.
EDIT: I would much rather deal with 5-7 to 7-5 teams yearly than have a dirty program. I personally don't think any school (or their boosters) needs to pay their players to be good at recruiting. See Northwestern.
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hangemhigh
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nobody cares what the lower tier teams do. michigan ever gets near the top 5 again, i'm sure we'll see just how dirty they really are...........
Stalker
I removed my teeth on purpose....if you catch my d
Kind of like OSU. They get near the top and suddenly everyone is making up stories about breaking rules etc... It's only because they are ranked high up.
Then again, I don't remember carr getting any problems with the NCAA when he shared his championship. So perhaps you're just looking for an out for your sweater vest collection. If Tressel goes away, the value of that thing has to plummet.
Then again, I don't remember carr getting any problems with the NCAA when he shared his championship. So perhaps you're just looking for an out for your sweater vest collection. If Tressel goes away, the value of that thing has to plummet.
webleedorange619
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I gotta agree with you.
webleedorange619
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Just didnt get caught thats all.
hangemhigh
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mark468
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no,no they do break rules under tressel they have had over 300 NCAA violations, now i wonder how U-M and MSU stack up to that.. I cant not stand OSU or MSU, but up until now never heard any rumors about MSU and money, do they like to play a felon now and then sure, lol
Swifster
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I have yet to see anyone show me OSU had 300+ violations under Tressel. Can someone post up some form of verifcation of these numbers? If you can't (and this isn't necessarily pointed at Mark), STFU. Damn, next year the vest will have 600+ violations in the 'last two years' or some other silly bullshit like that. No one thinks the NCAA would crack down on 30 to 40 minor violations a year? Come on guys.
These violations were supposed to be happening during the 2002/2003 recruiting period. The players 'can't remember names'. This is bullshit. Don't make claims and then not follow thru. Also, these were all boosters. You hear a lot about the boosters in the SEC, but other than Ed Martin, nothing in the Big 10.
mark468
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read it on espn when all that tatoo shit hit the fan ,ill see if i cant find the article..
mark468
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According to a blog by a Chicago writer Jim Tressel today, head coach of the underachieving” duh “Ohio State University (OSU) will remain in office after the BCS Sugar Bowl against the Razorbacks Arkansas.
While these messages still in rumor phase, many other news sites picked up the story and go with him. Tressel made great progress in his tenure at OSU, he has two beautiful sunsets. The first is its inability to control all of his players. Maurice Clarrett incident to the recent case with the “star” quarterback Terrell Pryor and 4 other current player OSU OSU has more than 370 violations reported in the years 2000-2010 (lack of institutional control … anyone? ).
While these messages still in rumor phase, many other news sites picked up the story and go with him. Tressel made great progress in his tenure at OSU, he has two beautiful sunsets. The first is its inability to control all of his players. Maurice Clarrett incident to the recent case with the “star” quarterback Terrell Pryor and 4 other current player OSU OSU has more than 370 violations reported in the years 2000-2010 (lack of institutional control … anyone? ).
mark468
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This is from the espn article i read, I do have the whole article if you want to read it.
In May of 2009, The Columbus Dispatch reported that since 2000, Ohio State had reported to the NCAA more than 375 violations -- the most of any of the 69 Football Bowl Subdivision schools that provided documents to the newspaper through public-records requests. Most of the infractions were minor and resulted in little or no punishment.
In May of 2009, The Columbus Dispatch reported that since 2000, Ohio State had reported to the NCAA more than 375 violations -- the most of any of the 69 Football Bowl Subdivision schools that provided documents to the newspaper through public-records requests. Most of the infractions were minor and resulted in little or no punishment.
moneypit
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dated march 25 2011
http://www.wilx.com/news/headlines/Major_MSU_Booster_Club_Under_Investigation_118612724.html
Nov 13 2009
http://www.action3news.com/Global/story.asp?S=11502760&nav=menu550_1
If you arent cheating you arent trying
Swifster
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And that's my point. First, a blog is some guy sitting on his ass at home (most of the time). And if he was over 100+ in 10 years, he'd probably get hit with 'Lack of Institutional Control'. I'm not saying they may not have had minor violations (and tatoogate is really a minor violation), but that many? I'm not buying it. The Tressel part of Tatoogate may end up being a major violation (key word: MAY), but not enough for him to lose his job.
Every school has minor violations. Yes, even MSU. The NCAA just wants to make sure they are not happening on a continuous basis (see UM). Even Izzo was 'suspended' for 1 game over a camp from last summer.
mark468
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well second one from espn , hopefully more credible, smoke there is fire..
Swifster
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You did notice that the Quarterback Club was not associated with the athletics department, right? And that THEIR violations were in regards to the use of funds from their 50/50 raffle? This was a lottery commision issue. The QBC raised money for non-profits with MSU allowing them to run the raffle while tailgating for home games. None of the money, as far as what I read, went to MSU. The lottery commision had problems with the QBC spending $20K for MSU season tickets for their BOD and for writting checks to 'CASH'.
As for Nebraska, these are the words of a murderer, so his credability is nil. It also doesn't help that this was from around 2002. Again, where are the names?
If you are cheating in football, your are... CHEATING.
The idea of 'If you're not cheating, you're not trying', in my opinion, is limited to the field of play. If you can hold as an OL and not get called, more power to you. If you can throw a spitter and not get ejected by the umpire, so be it. Run 12" tires and wheels in a 10.5" class and no one says anything... It's gamesmanship. Paying players and covering it up is cheating.
mark468
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well this shit has been following tressel from Youngstown state, thats why he left ,the dude is dirty
mark468
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Dam this is easy , from the NYT ,looks like he never knows what going on lol
he farther the distance from Columbus, the less that view is monolithic. Some find discrepancies between Tressel’s perceived virtuousness and a more complicated reality.
According to a list compiled by The Associated Press, 20 Ohio State players were arrested or faced disciplinary action for rules violations between Tressel’s hiring in 2001 and 2005, though the athletic director Gene Smith said there had been no instances of misconduct the past two seasons.
A number of the arrests were alcohol-related, but one player pleaded guilty to robbery, and another pleaded guilty to felony charges related to drug and gun possession. Two others were suspended after being charged with marijuana trafficking and passing fake in-house currency at a strip club.
Quarterback Troy Smith, who this season brought Ohio State its seventh Heisman Trophy, was convicted of misdemeanor disorderly conduct after a 2003 fight in a campus parking lot, where, a woman reported, her jaw had been broken. He was later suspended for two games bridging the 2004 and 2005 seasons after accepting about $500 from a booster.
Early in 2005, an editorial in The Dayton Daily News said the booster incident, following other player misconduct, made Ohio State “look like a second-rate, generic state school, that has no reputation beyond sports and parties — and seeks none.”
Bill Livingston of The Cleveland Plain Dealer, one of Ohio’s most influential sports columnists, said of Tressel in an interview, “I’m a great admirer of him as a game-day coach, but the public image of the man doesn’t measure up in all aspects.”
The most notorious scandal of the Tressel era at Ohio State involved Clarett, the freshman star during the 2002 championship season whose career soon imploded. He was suspended in 2003 for N.C.A.A. rules violations, and would not play again, his early success corroded by questions of preferential treatment in the classroom; falsification of a police report involving stolen items from a car borrowed from a local auto dealer; and Clarett’s accusations that he was provided with cash and a no-show job.
Ohio State denied any wrongdoing and Clarett’s most explosive charges were never verified. Clarett is now in prison in Toledo, serving at least three and a half years on charges of aggravated robbery and carrying a concealed weapon.
The Clarett and Troy Smith episodes bore some resemblance to an incident that occurred during Tressel’s tenure as coach at Youngstown State. The university was cited by the N.C.A.A. for lack of institutional control after Ray Isaac, who quarterbacked the 1991 team to a Division I-AA championship, was later found to have accepted $10,000 and access to cars provided by the former chairman of Youngstown State’s board of trustees.
Tressel faced no official reprimand in the Clarett, Smith and Isaac cases and has said he was not aware of any wrongdoing. Among Buckeye fans, the blame clearly rests with the players, not the coach. Tressel’s critics, though, have asked whether he did not know about improprieties because he did not want to know.
he farther the distance from Columbus, the less that view is monolithic. Some find discrepancies between Tressel’s perceived virtuousness and a more complicated reality.
According to a list compiled by The Associated Press, 20 Ohio State players were arrested or faced disciplinary action for rules violations between Tressel’s hiring in 2001 and 2005, though the athletic director Gene Smith said there had been no instances of misconduct the past two seasons.
A number of the arrests were alcohol-related, but one player pleaded guilty to robbery, and another pleaded guilty to felony charges related to drug and gun possession. Two others were suspended after being charged with marijuana trafficking and passing fake in-house currency at a strip club.
Quarterback Troy Smith, who this season brought Ohio State its seventh Heisman Trophy, was convicted of misdemeanor disorderly conduct after a 2003 fight in a campus parking lot, where, a woman reported, her jaw had been broken. He was later suspended for two games bridging the 2004 and 2005 seasons after accepting about $500 from a booster.
Early in 2005, an editorial in The Dayton Daily News said the booster incident, following other player misconduct, made Ohio State “look like a second-rate, generic state school, that has no reputation beyond sports and parties — and seeks none.”
Bill Livingston of The Cleveland Plain Dealer, one of Ohio’s most influential sports columnists, said of Tressel in an interview, “I’m a great admirer of him as a game-day coach, but the public image of the man doesn’t measure up in all aspects.”
The most notorious scandal of the Tressel era at Ohio State involved Clarett, the freshman star during the 2002 championship season whose career soon imploded. He was suspended in 2003 for N.C.A.A. rules violations, and would not play again, his early success corroded by questions of preferential treatment in the classroom; falsification of a police report involving stolen items from a car borrowed from a local auto dealer; and Clarett’s accusations that he was provided with cash and a no-show job.
Ohio State denied any wrongdoing and Clarett’s most explosive charges were never verified. Clarett is now in prison in Toledo, serving at least three and a half years on charges of aggravated robbery and carrying a concealed weapon.
The Clarett and Troy Smith episodes bore some resemblance to an incident that occurred during Tressel’s tenure as coach at Youngstown State. The university was cited by the N.C.A.A. for lack of institutional control after Ray Isaac, who quarterbacked the 1991 team to a Division I-AA championship, was later found to have accepted $10,000 and access to cars provided by the former chairman of Youngstown State’s board of trustees.
Tressel faced no official reprimand in the Clarett, Smith and Isaac cases and has said he was not aware of any wrongdoing. Among Buckeye fans, the blame clearly rests with the players, not the coach. Tressel’s critics, though, have asked whether he did not know about improprieties because he did not want to know.
Stalker
I removed my teeth on purpose....if you catch my d
http://www.dispatch.com/live/conten...OSU.ART_ART_05-31-09_A14_D4E14K6.html?sid=101
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6194133
http://www.gazettenet.com/2011/03/0...s-director-address-allegation-against-footbal
Though I admit, they all point to the Columbus Dispatch as the source.
Swifster
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OK, first thing is that total was for the entire OSU athletic department. Not just the football team. But this is extremely high. While most infractions are minor in general, it's still cause for concern. Part of that, I'm sure, is the total amount of teams that Ohio State has (36, the most in the country). But that story also makes you wonder what other schools (including MSU & UM) do to bury a violation away from public eyes. I would have to assume that if the NCAA hasn't hammered OSU that they have looked at everything as minor. One the other hand, to have 4000 violations between all Division 1 schools, how many people are really looking into these or doing anything about it?
