Spring training, where anything is possible:)

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I'm not gonna lie, I'm excited. I still think last year was more the exception than the norm. Cabrera didn't start hitting until the break, Granderson missed the first 20+ games, the line-up was in constant flux, Bonderman blew out right as he put a string of a few games together, Zumaya and Rodney weren't healthy....Obviously I'm glossing over some junk, but let me be optimistic for now :D

They've got a couple of young outfielders that could be making a splash, and this Porcello kid is the real deal.

LAKELAND, Fla. – The story, there if Rick Porcello’s arm and mind are able and if the game will have it, is about a 20-year-old pitcher practically straight out of Jersey, and how soon is too soon, and whether his first big-league start should be on the road April 9 or in the Tigers’ home opener April 10.
Rick Knapp, the new pitching coach in Detroit, held up his hands.
“We’re only 10 days into camp,” he protested.
But his eyes shone. And the corners of his mouth couldn’t beat back the grin.
Not an hour earlier, Porcello had thrown another round of what was loosely described as batting practice (the hitters wouldn’t call it that), and if a ball got out of the infield it was limping and barely alive.

Normally, these are lively exercises early in spring training. Hitters howl at their own tender hands and awkward swings, granting these first days to the pitchers and the cool, damp mornings. Coaches lean against the cage and speckle the batters’ box with chatter and laughter.
Not on Monday morning. Coaches caught each other’s eyes. Hitters whispered, “Damn, that’s filthy.” And the only sound was the hiss of the baseball until it found leather.
Porcello throws right-handed and, considering his body can only now be peaking at 6-foot-5, with uncommon ease. His four-seam fastball runs in the mid-90s and reliably to the mitt. In 125 Class A innings over his only professional summer, Porcello commanded four pitches, including the one everyone adores, a heavy two-seamer. He showed up to his second camp pounding both sides of the plate with all of them, drawing sighs from hitters and there-you-go’s from catcher Matt Treanor.
In six weeks, if this is truly who Porcello is, and if last season’s starting rotation is still what it was, the Tigers will have their answer.
“I don’t want to say, ‘No, he doesn’t have a chance,’ ” Knapp said.
In fact, no one has said he doesn’t. Not manager Jim Leyland. Not GM Dave Dombrowski.
“The goal,” said Porcello, having none of it, “is to get ready for the season, wherever they put me.”
In between, there might not be a more interesting camp than the one the Tigers will hold, the one in which they will attempt to rebuild a staff that once was World Series quality with many of the same parts, all under a career minor-league coach.
That means Justin Verlander, who won 18 games in 2007 and lost 17 in 2008. And Jeremy Bonderman, once a 14-game winner and last season limited by injury to 12 starts. And Nate Robertson, whose ERA was more than six.
Armando Gallaraga was a pleasant surprise, but is no sure thing. Dontrelle Willis is in the midst of a career overhaul.
The Tigers’ working list has Verlander, Gallaraga, Bonderman and offseason acquisition Edwin Jackson holding down four spots, with Robertson, Willis, Zach Miner and Porcello pitching for the fifth.
But what they’re doing, you just know it, is looking over the kid not two years out of Seton Hall Prep, this glowing phenom with the World Series bloodlines, and wondering if his time has come, and earlier than most. (His grandfather Sam Dente was a war-time shortstop who got three at-bats for the Indians in the 1954 World Series).
In just two years, they’ve gone from American League champions to last place in the AL Central, a slide that potentially carries the added indignity of clearing out their ballpark. A grim economy is grimmer still in Detroit, and last-place teams don’t generally count as diversions. Beyond that, Leyland is in the final year of his contract, and Dombrowski is overseeing a payroll that tripled in four years and remains among the largest in the game, and that World Series photo looks smaller and smaller in the rear-view mirror.
So, they need to win, and just might. The division generally stood still or worsened around them. And, then, well, it can’t all go so wrong again for the Tigers, can it?
“A lot of things kind of went haywire,” said Knapp, new to the organization but showing a grasp of the basic implosion, which took the bullpen with it.
A winter of healing later, they’ve tried to sort through the various messes, they got everybody up and throwing early, and then they threw open the doors of competition, which was right about the time Porcello strolled in with all his composure and feel for the game and borderline unhittable stuff.
“What I hope it’ll be is that we have tough decisions to make,” Knapp said. “Jim Leyland will pick who’s on his team. The only thing I can say is we hope we have tough decisions.”
Here’s the one everybody gets to thinking about: Let’s say Willis still can’t throw enough strikes but isn’t terrible (he has thrown reasonably well so far) and Robertson still looks kind of like the guy with the big ERA and Porcello is clearly the best pitcher. The Tigers owe Willis and Robertson a combined $39 million over the next two seasons. That’s a big nut for a couple long guys. You see the potential dilemma.
Of course we’re a long way from the home opener. Presumably Porcello has plenty to learn. But Knapp knows development; it’s what he did for 20 years before getting to Detroit. And Porcello can pitch.
Treanor came out of the cage Monday morning talking about Porcello’s maturity, and the way he feels himself from one pitch to the next. He’d seen plenty of good arms in nine years with the Florida Marlins, he said. He wouldn’t hold him up next to anyone, he said, shaking his head, because it wasn’t the right thing to do, wasn’t fair to the kid, and then he blurted, “Josh Beckett.”
“He’s on the fast track to the big leagues, I think,” Treanor said.
How fast would now be the question.
Porcello and Knapp will concentrate now on Porcello’s curveball and slider. They are too similar, Knapp said, in velocity and rotation. So, they’ll further separate the breaking balls or turn them into one pitch. Other than that, well, the spring games will come and the hitters will tell everyone who’s in and who’s out, whether soon is too soon.
A nice kid who can’t believe he passes by Al Kaline’s locker every day, who thrills to Willie Horton asking him how his day’s goin’, is going to leave camp at that.
“I’m just going to go out there and throw as well as I can,” he said. “I try not to worry about it. Whatever happens, happens.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ti-tigers022309&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
 
I'm excited as hell. Not making any predictions, but I'm positive that it's going to be a good year.

Where's Swifster at? It's time for some of his Tigers insight.
 
:D Can't wait!!!

Tigers ready for Grapefruit League opener
by Steve Kornacki
Wednesday February 25, 2009, 10:00 AM

LAKELAND, Fla. -- The grass is freshly cut, the Opening Day banners are flapping in the wind and the palm trees beyond the outfield walls are targets awaiting batting practice shots by Miguel Cabrera, Marcus Thames and Curtis Granderson.

It's time for baseball, and this afternoon the Detroit Tigers open the Grapefruit League season with the Atlanta Braves. But this morning, the ushers are busily wiping down seats while outfielders make cutoff throws and infielders are taking it around the horn.

Watching Granderson uncork a throw from center while quickly regaining balance, and seeing Brandon Inge take a grounder at third before making a crisp throw to Placido Polanco at second is a reminder for Michiganders that spring and the robins can't be far behind.

Manager Jim Leyland is working with baserunning coach Andy Van Slyke in running the team through drills. Cabrera is rounding first one minute, and the next minute Magglio Ordonez, hair flapping on his shoulders, is digging for home.

You can catch the game on the Tigers Radio Network beginning at 1:05 p.m., and your next chance to hear Dan Dickerson and Jim Price will be 1:05 p.m. Saturday, when the New York Mets visit and Jeremy Bonderman gets his much-awaited first start since June.
 
I don't know what to think this year. The defense will definitely be better, but I think the offense will take a small step back. I think the starting pitching will be fine, but the bullpen is a gigantic question mark. Those big question marks start with Brandon Lyon, Joel Zumaya and Fernando Rodney. I've never thought much of Rodney. Zumaya comes down to his health. And Lyon is supposed to be another roller coaster.

The Tigers best catcher will be at third base (or course he's also their best third baseman), a guy at short who can barely hit his weight and a second baseman who may be slowing down. Cabrera will be fine and will likely get another home run championship. Who's the catcher again?

As long as Guillens knees hold up in left field the outfield should be fine. The same will be true with Sheffield. How's his shoulder. How well will it hold up.

I'm looking forward to seeing how well the kids play. And not just Porcello. Cale Iorg and Scott Sizemore are supposed to be the future at 2B and SS. Jeff Larish could be the future at 3B with Inge going back to catcher. I don't think any will make the roster out of Spring Traing, but I'd like to see them hold their own. If Robertson or Willis falter out of the gate, I could see Porcello being called up in May once it warms up.

As for the season, right now I see Cleveland winning the division, with the White Sox, Twins and Tigers all fighting for second place and a shot at the wild card with Tampa and maybe Oakland.
 
Inge will NEVER catch again, he's an all star caliber 3rd baseman and an average catcher. The left side of the infield will be much better this year along with Laird catching. Hopefully the pitchers can stay healthy and the new pitching coach can get them to throw FIRST pitch strikes and let the defense catch the ball.
The offense should have no problem scoring runs, I would like to see Curtis steal more and the offense play more hit & run instead of trying to get the long ball all the time. The teams that play smarter, make less errors & close out games win. The biggest question is the health of Zumaya & if Rodney can throw strikes.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Robertson, Minor & Clevlen or a pkg of them traded by the end of spring training, for some bullpen help if nobody on the team comes to the forefront.
Today's game is on the radio @ 1:00
 
I'll be in Anaheim to see them the 3rd week of April and at Comerica Park during my WDC trip plus watch all their games on InDemand's cable package.

Joel
 
Joel, I like your sig!

When I lived out there I worked outside a lot, and my dark blue Tigers hat turned white! That was when they were losing 100 games a year. I lost a few wagers to my buddies in Anaheim. It doesn't matter, the old english D gets respect wherever you go:)

redvette93, have you seen robertson's contract? He won't get dealt, he makes way too much and he sucks. Besides that, he and Minor are two of the only leftys they've got.
 
Minor is not a lefty, and Robertson's contract is still low enough for him to be traded. they should have traded him to Atl last year & we could have kept Jurrigens. There are plenty of lefties on the team that can fill his spot, he's nothing but a .500 pitcher.
 
Minor is not a lefty, and Robertson's contract is still low enough for him to be traded. they should have traded him to Atl last year & we could have kept Jurrigens. There are plenty of lefties on the team that can fill his spot, he's nothing but a .500 pitcher.

Yeah, minor's a righty, don't ask me what I was thinking there. :lol:

Robertson makes 7m next year and 10m his last year. If he's nothing but a .500 pitcher, nobody is gonna take him at that price. Especially if there really are "plenty of lefties" out there. If any team takes him, it'll be because they package with a young cheap talent(which minor is not).
 
My dad is down in Kissimmee right now. He has a little place there. He is 1/4 mile from where the Astro's play. He usually goes there to watch the Tiger's play. Last year he came home with Grandersons Autograph and Shef's
 
Inge will NEVER catch again, he's an all star caliber 3rd baseman and an average catcher. The left side of the infield will be much better this year along with Laird catching.

Inge is not an All-Star caliber 3rd Baseman. And I can name you five reasons why without even thinking...

1) Alex Rodriguez
2) Evan Longoria
3) Mike Lowell
4) Scott Rolen
5) Eric Chavez

To be an All-Star, you actually have to make the All-Star team. He's great defensively and he's had one fluke year with the bat. As for his catching, in his only year as a full time catcher in 2003, he had the highest fielding percentage on any catcher in the AL. He was also 3rd in throwing out base stealers. I'd take that in a catcher. This is per the Stats section on ESPN.com.

The good? He went 2 for 2, but made the error (at 3rd) that allowed 3 unearned runs to score. I like Inge, but I'd rather have his hitting behind the plate than at 3rd. Of course, who can you plug in at 3rd if he's catching?
 
Inge is not an All-Star caliber 3rd Baseman. And I can name you five reasons why without even thinking...

1) Alex Rodriguez
2) Evan Longoria
3) Mike Lowell
4) Scott Rolen
5) Eric Chavez

To be an All-Star, you actually have to make the All-Star team. He's great defensively and he's had one fluke year with the bat. As for his catching, in his only year as a full time catcher in 2003, he had the highest fielding percentage on any catcher in the AL. He was also 3rd in throwing out base stealers. I'd take that in a catcher. This is per the Stats section on ESPN.com.

The good? He went 2 for 2, but made the error (at 3rd) that allowed 3 unearned runs to score. I like Inge, but I'd rather have his hitting behind the plate than at 3rd. Of course, who can you plug in at 3rd if he's catching?

And that list goes on. I like Inge a lot too, but the fact is you need offensive production out of a 3rd baseman. If he could hit .250 with 20/80 I'd be happy considering his glove. Does anyone know how it went with Larish working over there this winter?

I don't see him having much of a future at catcher though. He doesn't like playing there, he's getting older, and he bats under .200 when behind the plate(much worse than whe at third). He may end up there, but I'd be surprised if he ever starts a season there again.
 
I may get to see Larish play 3rd tomorrow. Tigers are playing in Dunedin against the Blue Jays and they have available tickets so I may head over their if I don't have any assignments set up. Gallaraga and Willis are the two scheduled starters to pitch. It should give a good idea if Willis has cleared his head.
 
I may get to see Larish play 3rd tomorrow. Tigers are playing in Dunedin against the Blue Jays and they have available tickets so I may head over their if I don't have any assignments set up. Gallaraga and Willis are the two scheduled starters to pitch. It should give a good idea if Willis has cleared his head.

That will be interesting for sure. I heard Willis is "around the plate". Not exactly glowing commentary, but it would be better than last year!
 
Lowell, Rolen and Chavez are all injury prone and on their way out. Inge his .253, with 27 hr's & 83 Rbi's in 06 so he is capable of doing that again.
when I said all star caliper I was referring to his fielding, he might even get gold glove consideration this year.
 
Lowell, Rolen and Chavez are all injury prone and on their way out. Inge his .253, with 27 hr's & 83 Rbi's in 06 so he is capable of doing that again.
when I said all star caliper I was referring to his fielding, he might even get gold glove consideration this year.


Inge had one year like that......and those numbers STILL don't put him in with the top third baseman in baseball.

If you say gold glove "caliber", I'm be with you. A lot of the errors he makes are on balls most guys wouldn't touch. But he isn't close to being an all-star "caliber" 3rd baseman.
 
Inge had one year like that......and those numbers STILL don't put him in with the top third baseman in baseball.

If you say gold glove "caliber", I'm be with you. A lot of the errors he makes are on balls most guys wouldn't touch. But he isn't close to being an all-star "caliber" 3rd baseman.

X2 and +1

These are the facts. One year does not an All-Star make. He's an excellent fielder, no matter where you put him. There will always be a place for an excellent fielder. As mentioned earlier, his offense numbers are not 3rd Base type numbers. I think Larish would be better offensively. But, after watching the circus that was the left side of the infield, I'll be happy to see good defense. So much for the All-Star infield from last year, eh?
 
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