Potholes

benk

benk

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Just a reminder to keep your eyes peeled as the roads seem to be worse than normal this year. I just destroyed 2 tires and wheels tonight.
 
There are roads to completely avoid... Even if they get patched daily, you cant trust them... I see patching crews actually skipping holes.. They will patch 4 of 5 big holes and keep moving along... Job security I guess??

Sorry to hear! I've pulled over and inspected my tires about 10 times this year after hitting a few teeth rattlers.. General TR Tires amaze me so far..
 
I mostly hit side streets back and forth from work, so I don't encounter nearly as many as I would on the main roads. That said, the main roads are the worst I've ever seen in my life.
 
Greenfield south, between 696 and outer drive. Fucked. I've honestly never seen a road so bad. Traffic crawling at 5mph, they looked like they were all rock crawling down the street.
 
There is actually no reason for the roads to be as bad as they are. The patch jobs they did last summer are a joke. They need to get out there and either patch some of this stuff or just close the road until they can repair it.
 
The problem with patching is they just dump the asphalt in the pothole. Then cars drive over it and kick it back up
 
Ridiculous! Hey Snyder take some of that 1.5 billion surplus and fix some of these damn roads. You can have my $78 tax break just plow the fucking snow and fill the potholes.
 
Falcon64 said:
Ridiculous! Hey Snyder take some of that 1.5 billion surplus and fix some of these damn roads. You can have my $78 tax break just plow the fucking snow and fill the potholes.
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Actually, cut my fucking taxes first. Then with the gas tax and increased registration fees, properly manage that money to fix the roads. Then hold contractors accountable when roads fall apart after one winter.
 
jsxtreme said:
Actually, cut my fucking taxes first. Then with the gas tax and increased registration fees, properly manage that money to fix the roads. Then hold contractors accountable when roads fall apart after one winter.
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Dude it will take 10 billion to fix the jacked up roads in this state. And yes on the accountability you are spot on. The shit they lay down is 3" on the shoulder and 1" in the center of the road.
 
Wife lost a tire last week on her MKZ. No spare because it's a hybrid so Ford Roadside Assistance had to tow it to the nearest dealership and they replaced the tire.

8 Mile west from Farmington to Gill is undrivable in anything other than a Raptor. Even in my F150 I had to slow down to 5mph to get through it this weekend.


What is with Michigan using concrete to pave the roads and then throwing asphalt in to patch the giant holes when it cracks and breaks up? I'm not a civil/transportation engineer but using a completely dissimilar material to patch holes doesn't seem like a smart plan. Water gets into the cracks, freezes, expands, and breaks up the concrete. It's not rocket science.

Sal - Why concrete on the roads? All of the roads back east are pavement. Is there a big concrete union around here?
 
There was a pothole on vanborn just past telegraph going east in front of the rite aid. I was sure I broke something or at least bent a rim.

No damage so far.
 
I'm glad I got the 10 ply sidewalls on this new set of Terra Grapplers. My F150 doesn't mind the craters too much.
Tires are wide enough that it doesn't even drop into most holes.

I'm a little worried about our ATS though. There isn't much tire there to protect the wheel.
I've hit a couple holes that made me pull over and check. We're OK so far.
 
i think the reason for concrete vs pavement here in MI is that there is basically no weight restrictions, while other states have weight limits strictly enforced.... here not so much :/ Concrete I believe has higher psi then pavement.
 
So much bad information in this thread. As a road designer I hear it all the time.

Putting cold patch in holes right now does nothing but make a mess later. There is still water in the pothole so you have no bond to the new pavement. All the cold patch will end up breaking windshields as it pops this spring. The statement about 3" on should versus 1" on the road, that could have very well been a perfectly good design if the pavement cores showed that the leveling/base course was in good shape. There is no standard design across all roadways, each design is a case by case basis.

There are weight restrictions on every single road. The matter of concrete versus HMA depends on the life cycle cost analysis......pretty much whatever comes back cheaper over a 20 year design life is what is used. Concrete is more expensive up front but cheaper maintenance, HMA is cheaper up front but more expensive maintenance. Other factors are considered as well.

--Joe
 
Scooter70 said:
What is with Michigan using concrete to pave the roads and then throwing asphalt in to patch the giant holes when it cracks and breaks up? I'm not a civil/transportation engineer but using a completely dissimilar material to patch holes doesn't seem like a smart plan. Water gets into the cracks, freezes, expands, and breaks up the concrete. It's not rocket science.
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To do a concrete patch correctly takes a lot of time and money. Sawcut at least 2' wide strip, dig out strip of concrete, prepare base, drill anchor holes, set rebar, lay reinforcement, pour concrete, then wait several days to cure before it can be driven on (the whole time you have adjacent lanes of traffic restricted to motorists). HMA can be laid and driven on the same day (mill surface, spray binder, pave, drive).

There is nothing wrong using dissimilar materials. Composite roadway sections are everywhere.

--Joe
 
jsxtreme said:
Then hold contractors accountable when roads fall apart after one winter.
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A contractor would never bid on a project.

Testing is done every step of the way during construction...........materials used, slump testing (concrete), density for HMA etc etc. If the construction meets spec the contractor is good to go.

--Joe
 
soap said:
A contractor would never bid on a project.

Testing is done every step of the way during construction...........materials used, slump testing (concrete), density for HMA etc etc. If the construction meets spec the contractor is good to go.

--Joe
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Then explain why our roads are always so terrible, especially in comparison to other states. How it is now is just plain unacceptable. We are not the only state to get snow/ice and use salt.
 
adidasvette16 said:
Then explain why our roads are always so terrible, especially in comparison to other states. How it is now is just plain unacceptable. We are not the only state to get snow/ice and use salt.
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It's a combination of things.....temp swings, salt and the heavy loads we allow on our roads (almost double any other state).

--Joe
 
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