Pistons get Iverson now, LeBron later?

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Pistons get Iverson now, LeBron later?
By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports

Joe Dumars had the chance to consider Dallas’ Jason Kidd and his expiring contract over the summer, a league executive said Monday, but the Detroit Pistons president had bigger, bolder ideas. Allen Iverson still gives the Pistons a puncher’s chance in the Eastern Conference this season, but this trade isn’t about him. It isn’t about Chauncey Billups.


Think bigger.


Think bolder.


Think LeBron James, 2010.


The Pistons president doesn’t just have the salary cap space for the Cleveland Cavaliers star. He also has the connections and the championship credibility. Make no mistake: Detroit and Dumars are officially in hot pursuit of James – maybe even the favorite now – and it promises to be a long, agonizing two years for the Cavaliers.


Detroit doesn’t deliver the bright lights and global metropolis destination that James wants when he opts out of his contract in 2010, but two more years of watching Kobe Bryant win titles could transform his priorities. James wants badly to be considered the best player on the planet and that won’t happen until he’s a champion.


James wants a front office with a vision that honors his greatness, and make no mistake: This makes Detroit and Dumars so dangerous, makes them Cleveland’s worst nightmare. The city could justify losing its prodigal son to New York or Los Angeles, but nearby Detroit?


Cleveland would never recover.

So why Iverson over a possible package for Kidd? Several league executives know exactly why: The trade with Denver to make an unhappy Iverson happier just further imbeds the Detroit franchise deeper into James’ agent, Leon Rose, and advisor, William Wesley. Just as they represent James, they rep Iverson.


And as much as anyone, “World Wide” Wes is one of the most important voices in Lebron’s life. Wesley lives in Detroit, where one of Rose’s clients, Richard Hamilton, is a Pistons star. What’s more, Dumars is close to an agreement with Hamilton on a two-year extension that will keep him through 2012, sources say. This is a terrific show of faith for Hamilton, who is trying to recoup hundreds of thousands of dollars that a business manager allegedly stole from him.


Wesley comes and goes at the Palace of Auburn Hills as he pleases, and few have such a window into the winning culture of the Pistons.


As one rival GM said Monday, “Damn it, I am afraid Joe has this whole thing wired. He’s got everything in place to pull this off.”

The New Jersey Nets’ move to Brooklyn is falling apart, and so is owner Bruce Ratner’s chances of using limited partner, Jay-Z, to lure James. The Knicks will be a factor, but the bumbling of the Stephon Marbury mess has reflected horribly on the organization. The Knicks have an owner, GM and coach with differing agendas and they’ve made an initial poor impression. Detroit can’t compete with New York as the global city to market James, but winning could take care of everything.


With Donnie Walsh and Mike D’Antoni as GM and coach, the Knicks can still get their act together. Yet, no one will ever need to ask that of Dumars. No one else can sell James on a winning culture as compellingly as Dumars. He had gone as far as he could with Billups, who has three years and $36 million left on his contract. Billups gave the Pistons a slight edge over Iverson to make another run this season, but Dumars had already gotten a final run out of him a year ago. Detroit won a title, reached a Game 7 of the NBA Finals and six straight Eastern Conference finals with Billups.


Now, Billups is 32 years old. He’s declining. This is a low-risk, short-term, high-reward, long-term play for Dumars.

The Pistons president believes that the young guard Rodney Stuckey, a brilliant pick out of Eastern Washington, can take over the Pistons next year. Iverson and Rasheed Wallace could leave the payroll this summer, and the Pistons will be $22 million under the salary cap in 2009. They will have a core of Hamilton, Tayshaun Prince, Stuckey, Jason Maxiell and Amir Johnson in 2010. No one else among James’ serious suitors with cap space has two All-Stars (Hamilton and Prince) and a potential third (Stuckey) for him to join.

Most of all, James knows he’d have Dumars to give him the right coach, the right teammates, the right atmosphere to chase championships for a long, long time. What makes this plan so ingenious is that the bridge from Iverson to Stuckey, from Wallace to Maxiell, makes it possible for the Pistons to reconstruct themselves without bottoming out. They’ll still be a 50-win team. Dumars hates the idea of rebuilding through the lottery, and that won’t need to happen here. He won’t be offering James a heap of ashes in 2010, but a good team needing him to complete its greatness.

For the flawed franchises falling over themselves to get under the salary cap for 2010, the most ingenious plan promises to start out of the NBA’s brightest executive mind. Joe Dumars is thinking big. He’s thinking bold. This will be an agonizing two years in Cleveland.
 
Lebron will never come to Detroit. he'll probably end up in New York. We dont need his stinkin ego in the motor city! I can't stand the guy ever since ESPN started making him out to be the messiah of the NBA.
 
Sorry Zack but in 2 years Lebron will be the best player in the NBA & if Joe can pull it off it will be like the Bulls with Jordan & a bunch of good players. If that happens the Pistons could win 3-4 titles in a row. The Spurs would be down, Suns would be done, Celtics would be old & we would be young & on top.
 
Sorry Zack but in 2 years Lebron will be the best player in the NBA & if Joe can pull it off it will be like the Bulls with Jordan & a bunch of good players. If that happens the Pistons could win 3-4 titles in a row. The Spurs would be down, Suns would be done, Celtics would be old & we would be young & on top.

Well hopefully he has a career ending injury before then. But, if he does end up a piston, then I won't be a fan anymore. I can't root for a team with him on it. Anyway, enough with the speculation. Let's see what happens this year
 
Lebron will never come to Detroit. he'll probably end up in New York. We dont need his stinkin ego in the motor city! I can't stand the guy ever since ESPN started making him out to be the messiah of the NBA.


It's not his fault ESPN hyped the heck out of him. And if anyone was ever set up to fail to live up to the hype, it was him. Yet he's friggin' better than I thought he'd ever be, and he's still getting better!

Interesting article, but there is way too much that can happen in between now and then. The exciting thing is that there is going to be a bunch of top flight free agents the next two years, and Joe has set this team up with a terrific nucleus and enough cap space to sign two max deals.

Josh
 
A team like Detroit, hell a city in a market like Detroit most likely cannot afford him.

He needs to play in a BIG basketball market town like New York, Chicago, or LA. He will be with his buddy Jay Z playing for the Nets I have to believe.
 
Of all the free agents in 2010 I would LOVE to see us get Stoudemire from Phoenix. Phoenix is declining fast IMO, Shaq is too old, Nash is close behind him and Amare may want to jump ship by 2010.

Our team - Sheed + Stoudemire = BEAST
 
A team like Detroit, hell a city in a market like Detroit most likely cannot afford him.

He needs to play in a BIG basketball market town like New York, Chicago, or LA. He will be with his buddy Jay Z playing for the Nets I have to believe.
That makes no sense. They just cleared up the space so they can afford a max-out player, according to some reports they could actually afford two max contracts. This isn't baseball(which in, by the way, Detroit has the second highest payroll), where you can spend an unlimited amount of money. There is a cap, and while Davidson doesn't like to go over it and pay the tax, he will certainly spend all of it.

The whole nets deal is a joke, the team and organization is awfull, Lebron won't choose his big contract team bases on a friendship with an entertainer.

Of all the free agents in 2010 I would LOVE to see us get Stoudemire from Phoenix. Phoenix is declining fast IMO, Shaq is too old, Nash is close behind him and Amare may want to jump ship by 2010.

Our team - Sheed + Stoudemire = BEAST

Sheed may not even be playing in '10. He's told more than one person he's retiring after this year, and even if he doesn't his days are numbered.

I like Stoudemire too, but the 2010 class has a ton of talent in it.
 
I'm not saying that I think Detroit will get him. But Joe has definitely put the team in a great position to get a couple of young superstars in the next two years to replace Rasheed and Chauncey(or A.I. at this point).
 
There are more things than contract money associated w/ a HUGE market team like LA or New York is what Im saying. Media centers of the United States. That is what LeBron needs to "take over the world" and become the next MJ as far as products and continued endorsements go.
 
Lebron will never come to Detroit. he'll probably end up in New York. We dont need his stinkin ego in the motor city! I can't stand the guy ever since ESPN started making him out to be the messiah of the NBA.

Well hopefully he has a career ending injury before then. But, if he does end up a piston, then I won't be a fan anymore. I can't root for a team with him on it. Anyway, enough with the speculation. Let's see what happens this year


So because of ESPN making him out to be the best player, you now hope that he has a career ending injury. That's great. Do you realize how stupid this sounds? :rolleyes:
 
So because of ESPN making him out to be the best player, you now hope that he has a career ending injury. That's great. Do you realize how stupid this sounds? :rolleyes:


I just hate the guy. Period. And the best player ever will always be Michael Jordan.
 
I HATE Lebron. Guy's ego is bigger than the Palace.

And this is different from Jordan, Kobe, Tiger, A-rod, ect., ect. how??? The guys that are the best at what they do all have to have that swagger, it's part of what makes them the best. I don't think it's an issue with these guys who are that good, it gets a little annoying when someone like Shaw Marion thinks a team needs to be built around them.

-Josh
 
There are more things than contract money associated w/ a HUGE market team like LA or New York is what Im saying. Media centers of the United States. That is what LeBron needs to "take over the world" and become the next MJ as far as products and continued endorsements go.

I don't disagree with you there. But the Lakers have a dude named Kobe, and that could get ugly if they try to ditch him for Lebron, the clippers are a horrible organization, ditto the nets. Chicago would be an option, especially with a young stud pg in Rose(not sure about their cap room), but the knicks are a trainwreck that would need to be fixed both salary cap wise and personel wise. At least Detroit has made itself a viable option, maybe the best option for pure basketball, and as the article points out, he has connections here.

-Josh
 
And this is different from Jordan, Kobe, Tiger, A-rod, ect., ect. how??? The guys that are the best at what they do all have to have that swagger, it's part of what makes them the best. I don't think it's an issue with these guys who are that good, it gets a little annoying when someone like Shaw Marion thinks a team needs to be built around them.

-Josh

no doubt that a superstar is gonna be self important, but James is of a different caliber. I've met him and hated him instantly. I love the story of the kid from high school coming up and showing these hard asses in the NBA a thing or two, but James ego is on par with Maurice Clarett's.
 
no doubt that a superstar is gonna be self important, but James is of a different caliber. I've met him and hated him instantly. I love the story of the kid from high school coming up and showing these hard asses in the NBA a thing or two, but James ego is on par with Maurice Clarett's.

But his talent is on par with....well, his ego:)

I hear what you're saying.

Look at it this way: If you've been told since you were 10 that you were the best thing since sliced bread, then you turn out TO BE the best thing since sliced bread, and do it all in the new age of 24/7/365 video coverage where the entire world watches you become the best thing since sliced bread, would you be any different?

I'm sure your judgement is based on both that meeting and what you see on tv, but I'd be slow to judge based on a brief encounter. I know one guy who insists Al Kaline is the most horrible person in the world because he brushed him off as a kid. I'm guessing if I were judged based on certain engagements, people might hate me too:)


I guess the bottom line is, I'll put up with the ego to have the kid put on a Pistons jersey. I like watching him play.

-Josh
 
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