Paint question
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orangejuiced86
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For 8k, that car should have been returned in A LOT better shape IMO. The job was probably quoted when it was blasted. NOTHING was hidden. Where the paint is thin and missing is just pure LAZINESS. Everyone has moments of mistakes, but what was posted in those pictures is uncalled for. Someone doesn't blast an entire car inside and out and then become satisfied with a a half-assed paint job.
I'm amazed that the painter himself would allow that to leave his booth, even if he was losing money it's still a lot better then having your name drug through the ringer like that. The painter must be the manager at the shop.
To the original poster, what kind of paint shop was it? Mom and pop style shop, or a well known collision shop in your area? Just curious.
With the amount of color needed for that car inside and out, I'd be willing to bet he had 2k+ wrapped up just in the color and clear.
What kind of materials were used?
chief
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It is a shop that I thought was up and coming? we shall see. They do have some nice cars with their name on it (quality work I seen in their shop) but who knows if they actually painted them or sent them out?? Painter is owner of shop with an employee or 2 usually. Job was already blasted when it was quoted and they say they do most of their restos this way. So in my opinion shouldn't be anything new to him. They do have 2 blasted in the shop waiting on customers. Money was no object with my quality demanded. They gave me the price. I have a few buddies with all fibreglass cars that didn't spend 1/2 of this to paint and they were blasted and had to fit the glass panels to look oem (these guys are already booked up solid)
Heck paint isn't even cleared, its just acrylic. Maybe I didn't make it known that I wanted clear coonsidering old car was clear and painter should be able to tell difference ( I can).
Heck paint isn't even cleared, its just acrylic. Maybe I didn't make it known that I wanted clear coonsidering old car was clear and painter should be able to tell difference ( I can).
orangejuiced86
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Very true. He wasnt happy at all from what I remember. I'm sure he will chime in shortly.
orangejuiced86
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Heartburn?
orangejuiced86
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The more you post on the details of the shop, the worse it sounds. Sucks that the quality control in that shop is the same person responsible for the QUALITY or lack there of. Hopefully they will make it right.
smooth
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Whoa whoa wait a minute, you paid 8k for a car to have acrylic enamel? Was the acrylic agreed upon? If your spending 8k I would assume urethane base/cleat, acrylic fully explains why the paint looks like crap and has a ton of trash in it
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Prep work is the most important part of coating anything. By you having the whole car blasted down to metal is a huge step into correctly prepping this vehicle. I know that when customers bring me stuff thats already sandblasted, it saves a good amount of time because you start fresh with clean substrate. I cant believe they left your car like that. No excuse for bare spots and fish eyes like that. For 8k, Id say its completely unacceptable. I don't know what paint costs, but someone on here said probably around 2k for paint and clear, another 1k for shop supplies (and I doubt that) leaves 5k for labor. I'd take it back and ask whats up. Don't let them give excuses. They are a PAINT SHOP. It's their job to know how to do this correctly. You told them what you want and they quoted you for that job. If you wanted a shit job, then you would have done it yourself with some spray paint in a parking lot. If a customer of mine says he/she wants "custom show room condition" and I quote them, you better be sure its gonna look like that or else I'm redoing it for free until its right. This is why you pay people for a service. They say that they can do something for "x" amount of dollars and thats what needs to be done.
mustangmike6996
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chief
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LOL kaspeed- its not a shop from over there at all and they are not even a member on here so no worries about comments boys. I just got this all in motion to show how fast this will destroy his shop as this quality shouldn't have left his shop for me to get pics. It is listed locally and also on this site. I have not posted a name or shop on either till I see how he plans on rectifying this situation.
LOL "Finish" might be the proper term for what he may do to the vehicle if I give him another chance. He may "finish it off"
I do have other people quoting out again to have idea of cost to rectify and finish job.
LOL "Finish" might be the proper term for what he may do to the vehicle if I give him another chance. He may "finish it off"
I do have other people quoting out again to have idea of cost to rectify and finish job.
SVT32VDOHC
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I thought metallic paint couldn't be bought in single stage form? I thought all single stages whether urethane or acrylic, were only available in solid colors?
smooth
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No you can buy single stage metallics in urethane,acrylic and alkyd but you get a finish like the pics above, bad metal control and lack of gloss
Swifster
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I had a friend who is manager at a local Chevy dealer. When they first reopened the shop it was a little slow. I referred a customer to him as they generally do nice work. The left side of the '86 Monte SS had some paint contamination. The car was 'spot' refinished in a few areas over it's life time. My estimate was to repaint the entire left side of the car. Where there was original paint, it was a little thin and some of the factory primer was visible. Oh, and the car was BLACK.
When I write my estimate on older cars, I R&I everything. It something will fall apart, I replace it (i.e., door weatherstrip). So my friend calls and mentions the guy brought the car in and they scheduled an appointment. Then he says he sold him a repaint for the whole car (Nooooooooo!). He said it was no big deal. He talked to the customer and he just wanted a good 'driver' quality paint job. The agreed price was $5K total.
I think most body shop guys know the difference between show and 'driver' quality. Customers do not. I took my buddy out to that Monte Carlo and asked him what he saw. He said a 24 year old Monte Carlo
. I advised him that it was actually a 2010 Corvette ZR1. He looked at me like I was crazy. I had to tell him that 'driver' quality to a guy with an older car is new car quality (hey, a new car is a driver, right?). He made the owner happy, but he lost his ass on that car.
The cost to replace the quarter panel and the rockers would normally be $1100 at $40 per hour. So now there is $6900 left to paint the car. I don't think paint and materials would be $3K, but $2K would be about right. Deduct the materials and you're down to $4900 to paint the car. Do you see a relationship to the Monte Carlo above? That Monte Carlo didn't need the floors painted, the aprons painted or the rest of the engine compartment. The shop didn't charge near enough for a show quality paint job.
Now this isn't the fault of the customer. If the customer wants a show quality paint job, that's what you write for. I don't know what the shop was thinking. And no part of that paint job was show quality. The other part is weight. If this car is to be abused, paint adds weight. I had a powdercoater do the pulleys for my engine in the wrong color. He said he would redo it. He wasn't happy when I advised I expected him to restrip the parts. If a shop screws up, it should be on them. Again, I pay no one upfront for anything. If they've been paid, cars sit and the shop is less than motivated to fix their screw ups.
When I write my estimate on older cars, I R&I everything. It something will fall apart, I replace it (i.e., door weatherstrip). So my friend calls and mentions the guy brought the car in and they scheduled an appointment. Then he says he sold him a repaint for the whole car (Nooooooooo!). He said it was no big deal. He talked to the customer and he just wanted a good 'driver' quality paint job. The agreed price was $5K total.
I think most body shop guys know the difference between show and 'driver' quality. Customers do not. I took my buddy out to that Monte Carlo and asked him what he saw. He said a 24 year old Monte Carlo
. I advised him that it was actually a 2010 Corvette ZR1. He looked at me like I was crazy. I had to tell him that 'driver' quality to a guy with an older car is new car quality (hey, a new car is a driver, right?). He made the owner happy, but he lost his ass on that car.The cost to replace the quarter panel and the rockers would normally be $1100 at $40 per hour. So now there is $6900 left to paint the car. I don't think paint and materials would be $3K, but $2K would be about right. Deduct the materials and you're down to $4900 to paint the car. Do you see a relationship to the Monte Carlo above? That Monte Carlo didn't need the floors painted, the aprons painted or the rest of the engine compartment. The shop didn't charge near enough for a show quality paint job.
Now this isn't the fault of the customer. If the customer wants a show quality paint job, that's what you write for. I don't know what the shop was thinking. And no part of that paint job was show quality. The other part is weight. If this car is to be abused, paint adds weight. I had a powdercoater do the pulleys for my engine in the wrong color. He said he would redo it. He wasn't happy when I advised I expected him to restrip the parts. If a shop screws up, it should be on them. Again, I pay no one upfront for anything. If they've been paid, cars sit and the shop is less than motivated to fix their screw ups.
smooth
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Swifster - this was the point I was trying to get across and that was a great explanation, this shell needed full primer from top to bottom including underside, plus all the prep work after the primer, then paint top to bottom......8k goes fast, check your local restoration shops.
12-15k for a show quality paint job is not far fetched, heck I've done 8k color changes in my garage
12-15k for a show quality paint job is not far fetched, heck I've done 8k color changes in my garage
Swifster
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This is why my car isn't painted.
I'm expecting stripping and paint costs for my Daytona to be around $15K. And this doesn't include replacing the left fender (welded to apron) and the tail panel. When I write my estimates on the 'vintage' stuff, I usually start at $50 hourly and will write up to $75 depending on the shop and the car.