ultradriver10000
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My high school had a bowling alley and a gun range in the basement. Crazy your muzzleloader didn't jump up and shoot anyone.
oxford shooting post, very sad
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My high school had a bowling alley and a gun range in the basement. Crazy your muzzleloader didn't jump up and shoot anyone.
chunkybs
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100% agree, anyone that they can prove knew there was a threat and didn't contact law enforcement should face some kind of charge.
He drew a gun, a person shot and bleeding, and a laughing emoji. That seems worth looking into even if you haven't shot up a school yet lol.
Detroit Gearbox
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Quite obvious this child has a serious mental illness that no one noticed, despite what looks like a whole lot of flags (My guess is he suffers from Schizophrenia)
I suspect it will be years before this child has a case heard in court.
No parent would have gun access in their home if they even remotely thought the firearm/s would be used to kill someone.... despite the appearance we have seen the parents painted in the media.
What I find to be almost incomprehensible is the fact the attorney hired by the parents contacted the OC prosecutors office several times and the OC Sheriffs department and said he would bring the parents in if they were going to press charges.
I heard the Attorneys speaking on the radio Thursday saying they reached out to both and were not contacted back. Sheriffs department told the Attorney they had no idea if the prosecutor was pressing charges.
I suspect it will be years before this child has a case heard in court.
No parent would have gun access in their home if they even remotely thought the firearm/s would be used to kill someone.... despite the appearance we have seen the parents painted in the media.
What I find to be almost incomprehensible is the fact the attorney hired by the parents contacted the OC prosecutors office several times and the OC Sheriffs department and said he would bring the parents in if they were going to press charges.
I heard the Attorneys speaking on the radio Thursday saying they reached out to both and were not contacted back. Sheriffs department told the Attorney they had no idea if the prosecutor was pressing charges.
WhiteHawk
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Anyone been watching the new Dexter on Showtime? Literally had a character getting bullied at school who drew the exact same kind of pictures on the show a couple weeks ago. I wonder if Crumbley saw that episode?
-Geoff
derbydad276
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I have been a NRA trained Youth Shooting Sports Instructor for over 15 years, I have taught 5 year old's the safe way to handle a gun .
5 year old's BB guns and archery ... 12 year old's 22's and shotguns .... 15 year old's pistols ...
My safety speech begins with
Always
Always
Always ....
It's the first thing the NRA teaches ,
The first thing I said when I heard about the shooting was why wasn't the gun secured !
every firearm in my home is locked with both a trigger lock and a cable lock through the chamber, .and kept in a locked case ...that my kids did not have access too...
yeah I know (over kill )
I believe the school is hiding something.... this was not this kids first rodeo in the principals office & the parents are IDIOTS !!!! ,
for buying a kid with Social Issues a Firearm and Keeping it in the Home !
https://www.pewpewtactical.com/best-gun-trigger-locks/
5 year old's BB guns and archery ... 12 year old's 22's and shotguns .... 15 year old's pistols ...
My safety speech begins with
Always
Always
Always ....
It's the first thing the NRA teaches ,
The first thing I said when I heard about the shooting was why wasn't the gun secured !
every firearm in my home is locked with both a trigger lock and a cable lock through the chamber, .and kept in a locked case ...that my kids did not have access too...
yeah I know (over kill )
I believe the school is hiding something.... this was not this kids first rodeo in the principals office & the parents are IDIOTS !!!! ,
for buying a kid with Social Issues a Firearm and Keeping it in the Home !
https://www.pewpewtactical.com/best-gun-trigger-locks/
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mikesfastss
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So according to the moms ig post she bought it for her son for
Christmas, isn’t that considered a straw purchase then? Lock them all up and throw away the key. Who ever dropped the ball on this situation needs to be prosecuted.
Christmas, isn’t that considered a straw purchase then? Lock them all up and throw away the key. Who ever dropped the ball on this situation needs to be prosecuted.
mustangmike6996
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Yea, they kid on the show even has the same first name. Weird.
Golden
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No, not a straw purchase.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may...or-ammunition-gift-juvenile-less-18-years-age
wickettoby1
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Not sure how the parents wont be charged on at least a couple of offenses and my personal opinon is they should be held responsible.
https://www.findlaw.com/family/parental-rights-and-liability/parental-liability-basics.html
https://www.findlaw.com/family/parental-rights-and-liability/parental-liability-basics.html
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mdhmi
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Brilliant. Had they sent him home he would have had an extra day to prepare the attack. Given how immensely pathetic the little shit was all should be grateful he only plugged four. Fires ~30 shots and surrenders with ~13 rounds and only four kills. Seriously - Helen Keller could have done a better job.
Wrong.
mikesfastss
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So a small loophole possibly, be interesting to see if he had the written permission slip from mommy.
orangejuiced86
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https://www.foxnews.com/us/former-c...otective-services-on-parents-years-ago-report
I am curious what more will come to the surface about these two and their parenting methods.
I am curious what more will come to the surface about these two and their parenting methods.
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Detroit Gearbox
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Had dinner last night with a couple OC sheriffs that made the scene early and saw the carnage ... they are still a bit shaken.
We got in the conversation with other LE officers about the behavior and desk drawings/writings and the schools response/actions.
They said anything near that behavior they would have shipped the child off to Havenwyck for evaluation... they also said it was incomprehensible the school did not involve the schools liaison into the mix.
So many missed opportunities that could have prevented this tragedy.
We got in the conversation with other LE officers about the behavior and desk drawings/writings and the schools response/actions.
They said anything near that behavior they would have shipped the child off to Havenwyck for evaluation... they also said it was incomprehensible the school did not involve the schools liaison into the mix.
So many missed opportunities that could have prevented this tragedy.
derbydad276
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Looks like Kim Worthy isn't fucking around in the aftermath https://www.wxyz.com/news/wayne-cou...rs-who-allegedly-made-threats-to-area-schools
and Oakland County Prosecutor wants to charge school officials too.... https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/oa...lity-oxford-school-officials-could-be-charged
and Oakland County Prosecutor wants to charge school officials too.... https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/oa...lity-oxford-school-officials-could-be-charged
Golden
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Not a loophole. Him target shooting with it was fine. Now obviously him taking it to school and shooting his classmates is not.
I agree with others, I think we are going to find out a lot about those parents. If manslaughter gets dropped I’m sure they’ll be facing child neglect and maybe abuse charges. This kid shouldn’t have even had access to a nerf gun from what has been coming out.
derbydad276
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exactly thousand of kids shoot on firing ranges every summer at Scout Camps
BSA allows 5 year olds to shoot BB guns
12 year olds to use .22's and shotguns
14 in up can even fire pistols
mdhmi
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CPS didn't pursue the matter perhaps because there was nothing to pursue. Mommy and Daddy grabbing a cocktail doesn't make them unfit.
More Monday morning quarterbacking. Havenwyck is one of the most useless institutions I've ever seen. They aren't helping anyone. No one is getting better there. They are just babysitting people that group-homes need a break from. They call themselves a hospital and don't even have a single Doctor available 24x7. Pathetic.
Well fed. Roof over his head. Parents active in his life and communicate with him routinely even while he's at school via a smart phone. Doesn't sound like neglect to me at all.
orangejuiced86
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LOL, I wasnt saying that CPS should rip the kid from the home for that, I understand how CPS works. I was just pointing out their actions and nothing more.
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WhiteHawk
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It's the age-old problem. The kid is their angel, and they don't see any bad in him. They most likely couldn't if they wanted to. I think it is shitty how poorly they are being treated by the prosecutor. Not saying they are victims, but definitely she is kicking them while they are down. Bad Karma like she is sowing comes around eventually.
-Geoff
-Geoff
wrath
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The kid probably has mental health issues. It's pretty clear the Mom has more issues than Newsweek.
He probably lived one life at home and a different one at school. It happens ALL THE TIME. How many people even know their daughters are knocked up until they look like they're about to pop?
I suspect you will find out he was either a bully or bullied (more likely) at school. At home he was probably as normal a kid can be in the eyes of Ma and Pa, because I suspect their idea of normal is a bit... skewed.
Nobody is going to let a person handle a tool with such potential finality as a firearm if the think they make get shot. Most people don't want to die. I don't believe the parents thought the kid was a risk. It'd be like handing your alcoholic belligerent, angry, and mentally limited uncle a loaded 1911. Might not be a big deal or the the last thing to go through your mind might be a 230gr freedom pill. You're simply not going to take that chance.
I don't really believe in the focus of locking up firearms for a teenager. At that age you either grasp the power a firearm has when you wield it, or you don't. If a kid can figure out why it's bad to play with matches over a trash can next to the curtains, they can figure out when an expedient projectile leaves a weapon it can be just as catastrophic. I managed to learn the finality of a firearm at a young age simply by my Dad shooting a junk car with a 44 Magnum. I knew my entire life where all of his firearms were, I handled them loaded without him around, etc but I never really shot them until I was 10. The most he ever had, and still has, was a briefcase he kept locked with said Dan Wesson 44 magnum in it. I simply didn't care that much. Big yip, I can poke holes in things is what I thought. It was way more fun to blow up rocks with an acetylene torch and all sorts of other equally dangerous tools.
The school system probably knew if they turned the kid in for crazy, it was going to haunt that kid for the rest of his life. That shit you never escape. It might not have seemed that bad to them. Especially if they saw the reaction of Ma-n-Pa (pure speculation on my part) being batshit crazy that their little Ethan was nutjob... the school may have figured if he went home he was going to end up with a black eye if he went home. However, if it's bad enough to call Ma-n-Pa in, it's worth keeping him in in-school-suspension until he can get evaluated.
And yes, the kid on Dexter's name was Ethan. And yes, it was on the air before Ethan went on his shooting spree.
He probably lived one life at home and a different one at school. It happens ALL THE TIME. How many people even know their daughters are knocked up until they look like they're about to pop?
I suspect you will find out he was either a bully or bullied (more likely) at school. At home he was probably as normal a kid can be in the eyes of Ma and Pa, because I suspect their idea of normal is a bit... skewed.
Nobody is going to let a person handle a tool with such potential finality as a firearm if the think they make get shot. Most people don't want to die. I don't believe the parents thought the kid was a risk. It'd be like handing your alcoholic belligerent, angry, and mentally limited uncle a loaded 1911. Might not be a big deal or the the last thing to go through your mind might be a 230gr freedom pill. You're simply not going to take that chance.
I don't really believe in the focus of locking up firearms for a teenager. At that age you either grasp the power a firearm has when you wield it, or you don't. If a kid can figure out why it's bad to play with matches over a trash can next to the curtains, they can figure out when an expedient projectile leaves a weapon it can be just as catastrophic. I managed to learn the finality of a firearm at a young age simply by my Dad shooting a junk car with a 44 Magnum. I knew my entire life where all of his firearms were, I handled them loaded without him around, etc but I never really shot them until I was 10. The most he ever had, and still has, was a briefcase he kept locked with said Dan Wesson 44 magnum in it. I simply didn't care that much. Big yip, I can poke holes in things is what I thought. It was way more fun to blow up rocks with an acetylene torch and all sorts of other equally dangerous tools.
The school system probably knew if they turned the kid in for crazy, it was going to haunt that kid for the rest of his life. That shit you never escape. It might not have seemed that bad to them. Especially if they saw the reaction of Ma-n-Pa (pure speculation on my part) being batshit crazy that their little Ethan was nutjob... the school may have figured if he went home he was going to end up with a black eye if he went home. However, if it's bad enough to call Ma-n-Pa in, it's worth keeping him in in-school-suspension until he can get evaluated.
And yes, the kid on Dexter's name was Ethan. And yes, it was on the air before Ethan went on his shooting spree.