oxford shooting post, very sad

WhiteHawk said:
They are getting railroaded. Noon press conference Friday made them fugitives if they didn't show up at 4 pm. No calls were made to their lawyers to arrange surrender. Judge cited the fact that they were fugitives when setting the bond. Prosecutor is playing games and it worked. Oakland County peeps need to vote that asshole out.

These people deserve their day in court, not trial by media.

-Geoff
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100% - we do not know the facts and this Prosecutor is a showboating queen.
Last I checked we live in the Land of the FREE. Innocent until proven Guilty.
WTH is this country coming too?

In no way am I condoning any illegal activity for the kid and his parents but yes they deserve their day in court with a fair trial.
 
mdhmi said:
If one of your kids stole your car keys/car and then creamed a bunch of kids standing in front of a school should you be considered guilty of murder for not locking up your keys or removing the car's battery? What about if one of your kids ganked a bottle of liquor from your cabinet and later killed someone in a car crash? Should you be automatically considered guilty of manslaughter?
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No. But, if you bought a car for your underage kid... and then were presented with evidence that showed he was drawing pictures of the car plowing through a crowd, with bloody bodies on the ground and the words "the thoughts won't stop. Help me. My life means nothing" You should probably turn to you child and say "Where is the car right now?" And make sure that the car is locked up in the garage for a long time until you determine he should get it back. If nothing else, that's the moment that they became ABSOLUTELY criminally negligent. When they were presented evidence that their kid, who had access to an unlocked handgun, was writing and drawing those things.
 
Krazybones said:
100% - we do not know the facts and this Prosecutor is a showboating queen.
Last I checked we live in the Land of the FREE. Innocent until proven Guilty.
WTH is this country coming too?

In no way am I condoning any illegal activity for the kid and his parents but yes they deserve their day in court with a fair trial.
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Nearly any case with even a shred of interest is presented in public first. It's the nature of the world we live in these days.
 
WhiteHawk said:
They are getting railroaded. Noon press conference Friday made them fugitives if they didn't show up at 4 pm. No calls were made to their lawyers to arrange surrender. Judge cited the fact that they were fugitives when setting the bond. Prosecutor is playing games and it worked. Oakland County peeps need to vote that asshole out.

These people deserve their day in court, not trial by media.

-Geoff
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100%
Prosecutor gonna make an example out of the parents and gonna hurt the legal gun owners
 
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NBC Nightly News says "THE PARENTS WERE WITHIN MILES OF THE CANADIAN BORDER!"
What a bunch of media shit this is!
They obviously dont know how close Detroit is to WIndsor?
 
DetroitStyle said:
No. But, if you bought a car for your underage kid... and then were presented with evidence that showed he was drawing pictures of the car plowing through a crowd ....
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The school was so concerned that they didn't kick him out, send him home, or even caution their onsite cop.
The school didn't think the kid was violent - there's no reason to expect the parents should have.
Are the school officials being charged with manslaughter for not sending him home, not checking his backpack, etc?
Are any of the people who supposedly stayed home fearing a shooting being charged having not notified authorities? (Plot spoiler: the answer is no and no)..
Wizeguy said:
100% Prosecutor gonna make an example out of the parents and gonna hurt the legal gun owners
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I downloaded a list of Michigan gun laws yesterday - it's a 250 page .pdf file. Curious what law would/could have prevented the horror that unfolded in Oxford..

Wizeguy said:
NBC Nightly News says "THE PARENTS WERE WITHIN MILES OF THE CANADIAN BORDER!"
What a bunch of media shit this is!
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So ridiculous. I was that close earlier tonight - as were 20,000 other people rooting for the Red Wings.
Everyone who lives in Detroit, GP, etc is 'within miles' of a Canadian border.
 
mdhmi said:
The school was so concerned that they didn't kick him out, send him home, or even caution their onsite cop.
The school didn't think the kid was violent - there's no reason to expect the parents should have.
Are the school officials being charged with manslaughter for not sending him home, not checking his backpack, etc?
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I think the school should have sent him home based on the drawings alone. I think they bear some responsibility here for their failure and I can all but guarantee they will be sued and will pay. They fucked up letting this kid go back to class.

But as far as criminal negligence, the school, as far as I know, didn't know the same info that the parents knew... which is that the kid had easy access to the gun. The parents had the whole picture. The school did not.

This isn't hard.
 
Alec Baldwin will get away with murdering his camera gal but the parents will get 15 years because the son stole the gun out of a locked box
 
Wizeguy said:
Alec Baldwin will get away with murdering his camera gal but the parents will get 15 years because the son stole the gun out of a locked box
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Link to info gun was locked? All reported info I’ve seen to this point says it was not locked.

Mom posted on social media it was hers son gun they got him for Christmas. He posted on his own socials it was his gun. :shrug: I have my doubts the parents charges will stick. I’m thinking it’s to put a thought into others parents heads in the future to make sure your kids don’t have access to a weapon unless you give it to them.

School fuck up, parents fucked up, kid fucked up. Innocent life’s were lost and bunches of families will be fucked up for a long time.
 
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school is blaming the parents for not checking his bag. Umm. Why didnt they or have the liason do it. His house is pretty much the first road away from the school. If they sent him home he probably would have walked back. Lots of mistakes
 
nitrousrick said:
Link to info gun was locked? All reported info I’ve seen to this point says it was not locked.

Mom posted on social media it was hers son gun they got him for Christmas. He posted on his own socials it was his gun. :shrug: I have my doubts the parents charges will stick. I’m thinking it’s to put a thought into others parents heads in the future to make sure your kids don’t have access to a weapon unless you give it to them.

School fuck up, parents fucked up, kid fucked up. Innocent life’s were lost and bunches of families will be fucked up for a long time.
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During the Bail hearing the defense attorneys told the judge that the gun was locked up..
 
Maybe the kid removed the lock with bolt cutters. We don't know and it's wrong to assume the parents are guilty. The only one we know is guilty is the shooter although I admit the parents look dumber by the day.
 
DetroitStyle said:
I think the school should have sent him home based on the drawings alone. I think they bear some responsibility here for their failure and I can all but guarantee they will be sued and will pay. They fucked up letting this kid go back to class.

But as far as criminal negligence, the school, as far as I know, didn't know the same info that the parents knew... which is that the kid had easy access to the gun. The parents had the whole picture. The school did not.

This isn't hard.
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Can't sue the government.
 
mdhmi said:
If one of your kids stole your car keys/car and then creamed a bunch of kids standing in front of a school should you be considered guilty of murder for not locking up your keys or removing the car's battery? What about if one of your kids ganked a bottle of liquor from your cabinet and later killed someone in a car crash? Should you be automatically considered guilty of manslaughter?
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Not really comparing apples to apples here, but Ill bite.

If I was drinking with my underage kid and deliberately supplying him with alcohol then yes, I would be guilty. As far as the car deal, the way you described the events no I don't feel I would be guilty. But I will add to what you said there and that's a scenario where If I went and supplied my kid with a brand new high horsepower car when he turned 16 and the result of that was lives lost due to him racing it on the street then I honestly feel I should be held responsible.

Now back to this topic. Had the Mother and son both not boasted about the gun being HIS on social media then I could maybe believe that the gun was securely locked up. In this case I just don't believe it. I may be wrong but that's just my feeling.

I agree with you on the fact that the parents are due their day in court, they may be guilty of nothing more than being a pair of dumbasses and they'll get to live with this mistake for the rest of their lives even if they are found not guilty.

Being a parent, I am so very curious about the kid. I just cant imagine(or maybe I don't want to) that a child just wakes up one morning and thinks to himself "I think Ill go and murder as many kids as possible". He had absolutely zero suicidal thoughts otherwise he would have shot at the cops and went out like that, he did this for purely for the thrill. I know I know, its so easy to call the play after the the fact, but more parents need pay attention and learn from this IMO. I mean hell the kids social media where he posted the gun and claimed ownership was his name. He wasn't trying to hide anything from his parents, but I am sure they never even looked at that stuff.

There was a video of another kid during the lock down and he says "I guess he lived up to his word" How many other kids knew about this threat? Heard him talk about doing this.

Any reports on the weapons seized from the home? I saw the news and it looked like all long guns. Was this handgun the first chance he had the opportunity to conceal a weapon in his bag?

Again, not looking to debate anything here on a topic that has nothing to do with me. My viewpoints are just that, my viewpoints.
 
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I was 15 when my folks allowed me to buy a car and I also used to drive it around the sub in the middle 60's. Utica High School also had a GUN club, where you could take your own personal weapon to SCHOOL and you would go on a bus to a shooting range. Hmmmmmm

As far as gun safes, they are laughingly easy to open without the key. There isn't much of an attempt to make them very secure. There are hundreds of examples like this and most are this easy. Even the cop car shotgun holder can be opened in a matter of seconds by an unskilled criminal...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rGvb2yYh1M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5YsZLJ5FjY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UB9j-P6JSk

Be careful what you wish for....Just my .02...grr
 
Holding the parents on $500K bond each seems crazy to me. The DA needs to get put in their place. The parents already basically lost their son, they might be stupid but no need to make this tragedy a political ploy.
 
Yeah Gary I graduated in 1978 we had a gun club at school also. I took my muzzleloader to one of my classes and did a presentation on it. Anyway, just goes to show the more liberals (leftists) have gotten control in our country the more it has gone to hell.
 
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