oxford shooting post, very sad

orangejuiced86 said:
Looks like the loser fuckin parents are getting charged also.
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Honestly I think this is BS - not they they are loser parents, but that they are being charged. Per the law, they should only be charged if they knew that he was going to commit the shooting. And if they did now, then they should be charged. It looks like his mom texted "Don't do it" after she heard about it. But it is going to be tough to prove. Their life is completely fucked up, and now the prosecutor is going to pile on just to score some political points.

If we want to hold parents responsible in shootings, then it should be coming from the legislature, not from the courts. This is an example of legislating from the bench in my opinion.

-Geoff
 
I disagree with you, but my view point is coming from one with 3 teenagers in highschool. But I understand what you are saying and how you feel about it.

When you honestly look at the facts in this case, these 2 were clearly negligent and their actions made this horrific scene possible.
 
orangejuiced86 said:
I disagree with you, but my view point is coming from one with 3 teenagers in highschool. But I understand what you are saying and how you feel about it.

When you honestly look at the facts in this case, these 2 were clearly negligent and their actions made this horrific scene possible.
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I agree. If she texted her son "Don't do it" after hearing about the shooting, did she know? Kind of seems like she at least suspected it.

But there have been cases where they found the parents liable - like that kid in Flint who found a loaded gun in a shoebox at his uncles house and shot his cousin or something. I think it was the case that made the fat guys Bowling for Columbine movie.

Of course the problem here is do you create a new class of criminal parents in Detroit where there are 1000 shootings a year, many involving kids 17 years old? I would guess that Democrats would be more opposed to a law like this than Republicans - Democratts would rather blame guns.

-Geoff
 
Detroit News is reporting that the kid had the meeting with his parents and it sounds like he already had the gun in his backpack. Some teacher saw a picture on his desk alluding to a shooting, and he was told not to come back to school without counseling. Yet, his parents left without him, and he did the shooting shortly thereafter. WTF?

According to authorities, on a piece of paper in front of Crumbley, the teacher saw the words: "the thoughts won't stop, help me" and a drawing of a bullet and the phrase: "blood everywhere."

There was a sketch of a person shot twice and bleeding, a laughing emoji and the final lines: “my life is useless” and “the world is dead.”
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https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...crumbley-drawings-teacher-warning/8854446002/

This is sounding worse and worse. There were multiple places the system should have caught this.

-Geoff
 
It's crazy that with multiple days of his social media posts, issues at school, other kids being scared enough to stay home, other kids' parents knowing their kids know of a threat and are staying home but nobody lets the police know?

The kid is drawing about killing people and nobody thinks to check his bag to see if he has the gun you bought him 4 days ago?

Charge the parents, and charge ANYONE that knew it could happen and didn't notify police.
 
WhiteHawk said:
Detroit News is reporting that the kid had the meeting with his parents and it sounds like he already had the gun in his backpack. Some teacher saw a picture on his desk alluding to a shooting, and he was told not to come back to school without counseling. Yet, his parents left without him, and he did the shooting shortly thereafter. WTF?


https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...crumbley-drawings-teacher-warning/8854446002/

This is sounding worse and worse. There were multiple places the system should have caught this.

-Geoff
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More and more is going to come out the deeper they dive into the texts between the son and the parents.
 
orangejuiced86 said:
More and more is going to come out the deeper they dive into the texts between the son and the parents.
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Yea, when he was caught by the school trying to buy ammo online a couple weeks ago his mom texted him to try harder to keep it secret or something.

-Geoff
 
Black. There’s two story’s to that . One says they left town for protection the night it happened and the police were notified . The police are saying no
 
When I was in highschool in the 90s... in a town about the size of this...

You got a free week at home if you joked about a bomb threat.

You make a bomb threat and you got a free ride in a car with expanded metal between the front and rear seats.

Bring a weapon to school... free ride with bracelets...

Talk or draw or or or or about great bodily harm... you got a free week at home and you couldn't go back to school in genpop (in school suspension) until you were cleared by a pyschiatrist. In school suspension was a room with probably 15 or so of those sectioned off desks. You got to go there for any number of reasons but there were always two staff in there.




I wonder if this kid had a perfectly fine home life and an absolutely terrible school life. I've seen it quite a few times.

So many failures and so much complacency that it is astounding.
 
Charlie LeDuff just popped for a five minute segment on Fox news. He said in the last week somebody threw a deer head in the courtyard, somebody left a dead bird in a jar of urine in the boys bathroom, and there were other kids threatening similar acts. What the hell is going on up in Oxford?

He also said the prosecutor is on a search for fame here. Supposedly last night the parents lawyer asked for a heads up if the prosecutor was going to charge the parents, and she would arrange the surrender. The parents left town Tuesday night after fearing for their safety. Instead of giving them a heads up, the prosecutor held a press conference. What a fucking asshole this lady is being. As soon as the camera is on them, all of these glory hounds forget about everything else.

-Geoff
 
WhiteHawk said:
I am sure that the FBI has a nice thick file on their school board at least...
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When I first read about the shooting I lamented that it was a good thing the FBI weren't first on scene or there would have been far more fatalities and the building would have been burned down.

Detroit Gearbox said:
The kid is 15.... not sure on how successful pressing charges as a adult....
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Walk in the park. Premediated beyond measure.

mrvids said:
The kid and his parents met with the Oxford school officials to discuss his poor classroom behavior Tuesday morning. So the question is, did he arrive with the gun that morning or go home and get it after the meeting?
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I'm sure that'll come out during the trial but I suspect the pistol was already in his backpack and he had already decided to commit murder.

jsxtreme said:
Weirdest part of it for me is the mother on social media talking about buying the gun for her son, all while he's been having behavioral problems at school.
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The only behavioral issues reported occurred -after- the pistol was purchased. You do understand the difference between before and after, yes?

orangejuiced86 said:
I don't care what the law is but they need to make examples of these careless parents..
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If one of your kids stole your car keys/car and then creamed a bunch of kids standing in front of a school should you be considered guilty of murder for not locking up your keys or removing the car's battery? What about if one of your kids ganked a bottle of liquor from your cabinet and later killed someone in a car crash? Should you be automatically considered guilty of manslaughter?

WhiteHawk said:
I agree. If she texted her son "Don't do it" after hearing about the shooting ...
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Don't do what - have a second cookie for dessert? Text absent context is pretext.

chunkybs said:
It's crazy that with multiple days of his social media posts, issues at school, other kids being scared enough to stay home, other kids' parents knowing their kids know of a threat and are staying home but nobody lets the police know?
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How many of those kids who supposedly stayed home out of fear or parents who supposedly knew there'd be a shooting contacted police? The answer rhymes with hero. Why aren't each of those people being charged with manslaughter?
chunkybs said:
The kid is drawing about killing people and nobody thinks to check his bag
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Awfully easy to say after the fact. What writings/drawings are innocent ramblings/art and which are threats? Anyone can say -after- a shooting that gee - you should have known..

1BADAIR said:
There’s two story’s to that . One says they left town for protection the night it happened and the police were notified . The police are saying no
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The DA/police clearly are obviously trying to poison a potential jury pool by concocting a narrative that the parents fled. That's horse shit. Their attorney contacted authorities and stated that the parents would surrender themselves if charged. The parents had left home the day of the shooting after their home address was published to protect their safety. Instead of contacting the attorney and allowing sufficient time for the parents to return they hurried up and scheduled a court appointment and then took to CNN to pretend that the parents were on the lamb. Such lying bastards.
 
My 12 yo knows more and faster than the stuff being reported. Gotta love the kids network.

Crazy week here, I’ve been in a total fog. Clearly people fucked up at all levels. Sad to see my town turned upside down.

#OXFORDSTRONG
 
Prosecutor was already on CNN with Anderson Cooper telling lies about the case. She told CNN that the Sheriff was watching the family, but the sheriff denied he ever had that conversation with the prosecutor. It's hard to get justice when you are busy getting facetime.

-Geoff
 
Just watched the court hearing on Fox2, the gun was locked and the parents got a bond of $500,000 each?
That's messed up!
 
Wizeguy said:
Just watched the court hearing on Fox2, the gun was locked and the parents got a bond of $500,000 each?
That's messed up!
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They are getting railroaded. Noon press conference Friday made them fugitives if they didn't show up at 4 pm. No calls were made to their lawyers to arrange surrender. Judge cited the fact that they were fugitives when setting the bond. Prosecutor is playing games and it worked. Oakland County peeps need to vote that asshole out.

These people deserve their day in court, not trial by media.

-Geoff
 
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