NASCAR attempted suicide?

Doesn't bother me. In my opinion, you watch individual races. You don't watch a championship. Whatever makes an individual race better is a good thing.

Racing needs to evolve. The whole format of racing is based on an era where cars were piles of shit and there was an endurance factor to the race. Even if someone had a huge lead that car could break at any moment. Now every car in every professional series on the planet is capable of running flat out for the entire distance of the race and not break. Even 24 hour races have become sprints. The endurance factor of a 500 mile race is nil. Make it so there's an incentive to race every lap. Give drivers reasons to take chances. Do what is needed to make the race itself exciting. I'm not watching points, I'm watching races. Whatever points can do to make races better is good. When points make racing worse that's bad.

Points used to make racing worse in NASCAR. Consistency is fucking boring ass bull shit.
 
On the surface it seems to make the beginning and middle of the race more important than before. So instead of laying back and waiting, more points can be had going to the front early.
 
It should all be better. Extra wide tracks, all cars completely equal = boring. blah, blah, blah. Nascar has become what IROC was. You know what happened to IROC, right?
 
It died because one sponsor can't support an entire fleet of cars. Race scheduling among drivers from different series also kept getting increasingly more difficult.
 
Another thing to think about when they change point systems, why is there a point system in the first place?

The answer, they wanted big teams and drivers to do to small tracks and lesser paying races. Giving a season long prize was a way to do that. That still wasn't enough in many cases back in the day. Look at Wood Brothers, Pearson, Junior Johnson and many more that rarely or never tried to win championships. They cherry picked the big races and didn't care about points. Now, every big team shows up to every race. It didn't used to be about the points. It was about the races, it was about the thing you actually sit down and watch. The thing it should be about. The points changed to fix the adverse impact they had on the races.
 
Also part of why they are doing this. You can do some commercial scheduling with it. They can go to commercial and not interrupt the race and have important things happen in the race during commercials.
 
it died when they stopped using "stock cars" for racing.... instead using cars that anyone could purchase... they might as well be driving go-karts.... everything is the same... just change the nose of the car and restrict horsepower of the faster cars... so you might as well race go carts at 5mph,,,,,
 
4 cam tbird said:
Also part of why they are doing this. You can do some commercial scheduling with it. They can go to commercial and not interrupt the race and have important things happen in the race during commercials.
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That is about when I stopped. I didn't mind when they would show footage of the race then cut to commentary to explain what happened or showed that cutaway NASCAR model
 
ASRoff said:
it died when they stopped using "stock cars" for racing.... instead using cars that anyone could purchase... they might as well be driving go-karts.... everything is the same... just change the nose of the car and restrict horsepower of the faster cars... so you might as well race go carts at 5mph,,,,,
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this:haha:
 
Id watch if they were unrestricted nasty small blocks and raced in the rain. :) This would make them faster and more likely to break engines. That is excitement.
 
They are unrestricted small blocks for 32 out of 36 races.

So, Holman Moody killed it in 66 when they put the first front end under a unibody car if it does when they stopped racing stock cars?
 
ASRoff said:
it died when they stopped using "stock cars" for racing.... instead using cars that anyone could purchase... they might as well be driving go-karts.... everything is the same... just change the nose of the car and restrict horsepower of the faster cars... so you might as well race go carts at 5mph,,,,,
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"There is nothing stock, about a stock car"
 
I do think it would help. The middle of races is always a good time to take a nap. I think they need to just shorten the races up altogether. I never have that much free time to spend watching a race. Also, my thoughts for a long time on restrictor plates is to give them less tire and you wont need them.
 
TWOBEERS said:
I do think it would help. The middle of races is always a good time to take a nap. I think they need to just shorten the races up altogether. I never have that much free time to spend watching a race. Also, my thoughts for a long time on restrictor plates is to give them less tire and you wont need them.
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I thought if they used a 300 C.I. engine with no restrictor plate that would do the trick and keep the speeds under 180.
 
TWOBEERS said:
I do think it would help. The middle of races is always a good time to take a nap. I think they need to just shorten the races up altogether. I never have that much free time to spend watching a race. Also, my thoughts for a long time on restrictor plates is to give them less tire and you wont need them.
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This, I got some great naps in while my daughter was a baby. I DVR'd NASCAR and F1 races... lots of time to nap mid race. x2 on tires, but some will argue that the cars are sketchy with min downforce already. Other option... maybe 358ci is too big these days. Aussie V8 Supercar is still at 5.0L 10:1 CR, 7500 max RPM... Trouble is, that limits horsepower, but does not make them less reliable..


Here's the Aussie definition of "stock car".... at least they use a lot of factory body panels, though they are not structural, just dress up. I got a chance to crawl around a couple of the Holden Supercars 10 years ago, back then they still had factory floorpans.

https://youtu.be/Qb5kcJLfDCg
 
so... where can I go purchase a carbureted v8 rear wheel drive camery? which dealership carry's them? aussie supercars is closer to what Nasty car should be...
 
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