Military Common Sense

[Torxila]

I cut & pasted this from my 1911 forum. supposedly said by Trey Gowdy



Military Common Sense
This needs to be posted at the entrance of every recruiting center for our military! It should say:

"CAUTION!
READ BEFORE ENTERING !!!"

Military Common Sense

Trey Gowdy just said a few things about the military in response to the ban of transgenders. He nails it:

"Nobody has a 'right' to serve in the Military. Nobody. What makes people think the Military is an equal opportunity employer? Very far from it.

The Military uses prejudice regularly and consistently to deny
citizens from joining for being too old or too young, too fat or too skinny, too tall or too short. Citizens are denied for having flat feet, or for missing or additional fingers. Poor eyesight will
disqualify you, as well as bad teeth. Malnourished? Drug addiction? Bad back? Criminal history? Low IQ? Anxiety? Phobias? Hearing damage? Six arms? Hear voices in your head? Self-identify as a Unicorn? Need a special access ramp for your wheelchair? Can't run the required course
in the required time? Can't do the required number of pushups? Not really a "morning person" and refuse to get out of bed before noon?

All can be reasons for denial.

The Military has one job. War. Anything else is a distraction and a liability. Did someone just scream "That isn't Fair"? War is VERY unfair, there are no exceptions made for being special or challenged or socially wonderful. YOU change yourself to meet Military standards.. Not the other way around. I say again: You don't change the Military... you must change yourself. The Military doesn't need to accommodate anyone with special issues. The Military needs to Win Wars.

If any of your personal issues are a liability that detract from
readiness or lethality... Thank you for applying and good luck in future endeavors.

Who's next in line?"

 

[mustangmike6996]

Very well put.

 

[DeFormula]

Amen. Sounds like Gowdy.

 

[4Gas$]

 

[Golden]

Trey Gowdy is a sharp guy. Good luck winning an argument with him. :lol:

 

[ASRoff]

as a veteran..... while war is the main reason for the military, it is certainly NOT its only job. My squadron participated in Many humanitarian events... from hurricane relief to volcanic eruptions, we have flown cargo emergency aid and supply's around the globe. we flew UN peace keeping missions...

Also, for every combatant (meaning actual fighting personnel) there are 2 non-combatant roles.... now these personnel are trained in basic just like everyone else... but, when you are "in the rear with the gear" you have petty much zero chance of combat (if it comes down to that then you really are in big trouble) hell it used to be a requirement that if you were in the 101 or 82nd you had to jump once every year for qualification .... even if you were in "supply" they have since removed that requirement for non-combatants since they see it as "NVA" (non-value added) most recently the military has seen lots of privatization with regards to these non-combatant roles... why send the fat guy to basic training when he is just going to sit at a workbench somewhere on base and fix radios.... or aircraft hydraulic systems... or Facility's maintainer for the buildings..... previously this was done with military personnel only..... and currently most of these roles are filled by veterans (security reasons) but, I'm willing to bet that cookie monster could still do the same job.... a computer citrix expert.

 

[mustangmike6996]

That is a very good point but there is still a risk of a FOB or flight line being attacked. At that point, you don't want untrained or ill-skilled fat bodies securing a perimeter. I was I-Level USMC Airwing and I know many colleagues who saw combat on a B-Billet deployment.

 

[ASRoff]

That is a very good point but there is still a risk of a FOB or flight line being attacked. At that point, you don't want untrained or ill-skilled fat bodies securing a perimeter. I was I-Level USMC Airwing and I know many colleagues who saw combat on a B-Billet deployment.

so you don't put them in theater... you keep them at depot level. they don't leave the us. simple.

 

[mustangmike6996]

so you don't put them in theater... you keep them at depot level. they don't leave the us. simple.

But that is effectively making 2 sets of standards for the same branch of military.

 

[ASRoff]

But that is effectively making 2 sets of standards for the same branch of military.

there already is with contractors.... Hell there already is with the different branches as well as inner branches... whom is held in higher regard? a maintainer or a recon marine? a mess cook or a ranger? a hull tech or a seal? how about airforce supply clerk or a PJ?

 

[mustangmike6996]

there already is with contractors.... Hell there already is with the different branches as well as inner branches... whom is held in higher regard? a maintainer or a recon marine? a mess cook or a ranger? a hull tech or a seal? how about airforce supply clerk or a PJ?

Ill give the Marine Corps as an example because that is what I served in. All Marines are held to the same standard. You are weighed every 6 months, if you are fat, you are put on BCP and discharged after the second time. All Male Marines have a height weight chart that they follow or 18% BMI. one Physical Fitness Test (PFT) and one Combat Fitness Test (CFT) are performed each year. All Marines will qualify with their rifle annually. The scoring is the same across the branch. All scores for these tests go into a formula for promotion. On top of that, every Marine still has a job to perform. Whether it be admin, maintainer, recon etc. The Navy was changing the way they did things when I was EAS'ing in late 2014. Now you can be fat for as long as your contract so they dont boot you out (you cant eat your way out of a contract anymore). In my opinion, if you are going to have non-essential non-combat ready troops, they should be their own branch.

 

[ASRoff]

Ill give the Marine Corps as an example because that is what I served in. All Marines are held to the same standard. You are weighed every 6 months, if you are fat, you are put on BCP and discharged after the second time. All Male Marines have a height weight chart that they follow or 18% BMI. one Physical Fitness Test (PFT) and one Combat Fitness Test (CFT) are performed each year. All Marines will qualify with their rifle annually. The scoring is the same across the branch. All scores for these tests go into a formula for promotion. On top of that, every Marine still has a job to perform. Whether it be admin, maintainer, recon etc. The Navy was changing the way they did things when I was EAS'ing in late 2014. Now you can be fat for as long as your contract so they dont boot you out (you cant eat your way out of a contract anymore). In my opinion, if you are going to have non-essential non-combat ready troops, they should be their own branch.

Agreed, but still a way to "serve" just in a more limited capacity. as far as weight is concerned I was held to a more strict standard... Aircrewman (navy and marine) had to stay under 225lbs... at 6'5 it was DAMN hard to stay under that... I could not do much weight training.. I did all cardio... 225 lbs is the ejection seat restriction. but, it was held as "the" standard (at least it was 25 years ago). just because it keeps you honest and someof the smaller helos (like sea sprites back then) were underpowered.

BTW Mike, I know the requirements for a Jar head..... my best friend just retired 6 months ago with 23 years as a WO3..... ( we met when he was a corporal and I was a 3rd class)....he is now a G-13 at NAS Jax... eventually non-essential