Laguna Seca Mustang vs. ZL1 Camaro

I don't see anything wrong with the Mustang interior personally. And on the subject of German interiors. I give the 3 series, both E90/92 and F30 a GIGANTIC MEH. But the F30 with that wrinkly wood shit, dear god is that aweful. We were in one at the auto show that had it, car was like a cream color kind of more centrally located in the BMW booth to the left of the 3 series they had in the booth facing BMW with your back to Audi. It's worth finding to laugh at the autrociousness.

Honestly, the Audi and Porsche interiors are the only German cars I care for. BMW and Mercedes are too bland, and VW look like crap compared to the Audi ones. I'd also say that Cadillac has some nice interiors, specifically in the CTS-V and the upcoming ATS and XTS.
 
I cant wait to see the outcome of a 2013 Shelby vs. 2013 ZL1

x2!

Also, I personally think this is cool:

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and i quote a LS1 guy from 2003 "Bu bu bu ba ba bu bu but but but but bu bu bu but it's got a blower" The ZL1 is a very impressive car but come on! This is not a fair OEM comparison typical of LS fags.. I cant wait to see the outcome of a 2013 Shelby vs. 2013 ZL1.. The ZL1 is going to get crushed in every aspect from quality to performance. Beotches ;)


The only thing I care about is straitline performance. From that viewpoint the 2013 Shelby will never compete with the ZL1. Auto trans and IRS the ZL1 will mop the floor with the Shelby.
 
Honestly, the Audi and Porsche interiors are the only German cars I care for. BMW and Mercedes are too bland, and VW look like crap compared to the Audi ones. I'd also say that Cadillac has some nice interiors, specifically in the CTS-V and the upcoming ATS and XTS.

I've seen renderings of all of the ATS interior combinations. I don't care for some of the colors but over all they look real cool. The cars with Nav look cool and are sweet. Fun to play with. I've been "helping with durability" on this flip up door under the nav screen. :lol:
 
The only thing I care about is straitline performance. From that viewpoint the 2013 Shelby will never compete with the ZL1. Auto trans and IRS the ZL1 will mop the floor with the Shelby.

Are you high? 70hp and 44 ft/lb more torque in a lighter car, and it's going to "mop the floor"? Doubt it.
 
There have been some definite fan boy statements made from both sides in this thread that have been pretty laughable.

I'm not sure how you can say you only care about straight line performance and then proceed to talk up the car with IRS.
 
The only thing I care about is straitline performance. From that viewpoint the 2013 Shelby will never compete with the ZL1. Auto trans and IRS the ZL1 will mop the floor with the Shelby.

Not even remotely close. Two magazine tests, one a 12.1 and one a 12.3? Most magazines ran around 12.4 with the currently Shelby, which is much, much slower. With an extra 100 hp and launch control, you could be blind and 1 armed and still run 11s in the 2013.
 
The only thing I care about is straitline performance. From that viewpoint the 2013 Shelby will never compete with the ZL1. Auto trans and IRS the ZL1 will mop the floor with the Shelby.

This is exactly the sort of buyer I was referring to in my earlier post. LOL.
 
The only thing I care about is straitline performance. From that viewpoint the 2013 Shelby will never compete with the ZL1. Auto trans and IRS the ZL1 will mop the floor with the Shelby.

You're nuts Tim. I wish I could buy one and prove it :lol:
 
The only thing I care about is straitline performance. From that viewpoint the 2013 Shelby will never compete with the ZL1. Auto trans and IRS the ZL1 will mop the floor with the Shelby.
Straightline is exactly where the Shelby is going to dominate. If anything, the IRS would give the ZL1 the advantage in twisties and on shit roads, which is why theyre so adamant about bringing it to the 'Ring. The solid axle is obviously the handicap on uneven track surfaces.
 
Straightline is exactly where the Shelby is going to dominate. If anything, the IRS would give the ZL1 the advantage in twisties and on shit roads, which is why theyre so adamant about bringing it to the 'Ring. The solid axle is obviously the handicap on uneven track surfaces.

So you are saying GM "Brings it to the ring" because they think it will do well there? That is 100% backwards. The Ring is how they make it a great car, not the other way around. it is a development tool. That is why MT driver keeps talking about how well the ZL1 brakes, how confident he is in the turns, and basically how awesome it is. You make a car run great at the ring, and professional drivers take it anywhere and comment on how great it feels. That is the whole point of the Ring. Yea, GM brags about the times, but that is a result of the work they do, not the reason they do it.

It amazes me the degree to which people in this thread will go to explain how well their car did or didn't do. Wow. Not picking on you Matt, it is both sides in this thread. Both these cars are pretty awesome.

-Geoff
 
All that I get out of this: The Camaro looks like Shit. the LS color Scheme looks like shit, but the Mustang itself is awesome.


Agreed!! And apparently GM wasn't nearly as bankrupt as the public was scared into thinking, if they're suddenly able to dump huge R&D dollars into such a "niche" vehicle line. gimme a fu**ing break. how soon we forget.....:shake:
 
Its clear some people will always have an excuse for something that doesn't support what they want. Thats fine, but when proven stats and specs don't support what you want...and you then discredit them so conveniently, it's completely transparent.

The ring is the most challenging, demanding and dangerous course in the world, and this a comment I've heard from several of the most well respected racers over and over. This is not my personal opinion. The reason OEMs (yes GM and Ford both, among the elite Euro brands) spend buttloads R&D'ing there is because there are left turns under full compression, right turns where the suspension is completely unloaded on one or both sides, sometimes front or rear biased (at times no wheels are touching), dips, bumps, banking issues etc. It challenges every aspect of even the very best cars in the world, it is the benchmark of the world. It is a known fact the new GT500 is developing there right now, and that is great news to those of us considering one. So some of you discrediting the Ring are saying that you know of a better track than either Ford or GM folks, or any racer for that fact. If the GT500 laps a 7:40 or better, will you same people say great job or discredit the time? No need to answer, those of us without blinders already know.

I think that the '13 GT500 will have stronger straightline accel for sure (11.8ish 1/4 unless its at MIR??), but I still question the traction as everyone I know who owns a current one will attest to. It may not do much better at all on a racetrack like the ring compared to the ZL1 if it sticks to the same price but I hope it does. I have a time I heard from a birdie inside Ford, but I wasn't impressed or convinced that was true. Anyone confirm a time yet? The ZL1 was not designed to be a drag car, nor was the GT500. The intent was to make the fastest track car they could while retaining a backseat and a full warranty for $55k. It wasn't about adding a $10,000 carbon brake option, and a $5,000 track pack to do it. Very few affluent buyers plunk down over $50k just to rip a few 1320s that could be beat in a regular 5.0 or 6.2 with drag radials for $20k less. Back when I was poor I was a 1320 only guy, then as I could afford better cars I recognized the value in a well rounded performer, not an uncommon evolution among most enthusiasts through their years.

Last conversation I had with Joel Ewanick, he explained how Jim Farley turned down a challenge to take a '13 GT500 and a Zl1 to the ring publicly, and the loser had to make a $100k donation to a charity of the winner's choice. He said no. Could have still been in development in Farleys defense, but why didn't he counter with a future date? Just a "no" makes me skeptical.

I look fwd to when the two go head to head, should be a fun battle, and I hope the GT500 takes it home. It will only mean better options for us.
 
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So you are saying GM "Brings it to the ring" because they think it will do well there? That is 100% backwards. The Ring is how they make it a great car, not the other way around. it is a development tool. That is why MT driver keeps talking about how well the ZL1 brakes, how confident he is in the turns, and basically how awesome it is. You make a car run great at the ring, and professional drivers take it anywhere and comment on how great it feels. That is the whole point of the Ring. Yea, GM brags about the times, but that is a result of the work they do, not the reason they do it.

It amazes me the degree to which people in this thread will go to explain how well their car did or didn't do. Wow. Not picking on you Matt, it is both sides in this thread. Both these cars are pretty awesome.

-Geoff

Don't worry Geoff, Matt knows deep down inside. After all, he chose an LSx platform for his mustang anyway.:thefinger
 
Companies always turn down public challenges like that and the company issuing the challenge knows that's the case and that it will just get them some free publicity. GM challenged Ford to an HD truck thing in the mountains in Colorado. Miller has challenged Budweiser in multiple NASCAR races or seasons where the loser had to run a race with the winners colors, Bud always declined. I'm sure others know of other similar declined challenges.
 
(11.8ish 1/4 unless its at MIR??),

Wrong.

Last conversation I had with Joel Ewanick, he explained how Jim Farley turned down a challenge to take a '13 GT500 and a Zl1 to the ring publicly, and the loser had to make a $100k donation to a charity of the winner's choice. He said no. Could have still been in development in Farleys defense, but why didn't he counter with a future date? Just a "no" makes me skeptical.

Next time you talk to the high ranking bitches at GM, tell them not to be such crybabies. No need for marketing people with hurt feelings to go calling around town crying over joke Hitler videos.
 
Really? Weird. You said you have never worked for Ford. So anything you know is from someone breaching their confidentiality agreements.
 
Really? Weird. You said you have never worked for Ford. So anything you know is from someone breaching their confidentiality agreements.

Breaching what confidentiality agreements? I wasn't aware all Big Three employees had confidentiality agreements with all the other companies when one cries over a joke a third party made on the internet.
 
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