If you rob someone, you may want to weigh your options first

[91trunk]

Residents that grow or manufacture illegal (state level doesn't matter) drugs and alcohol shouldn't be surprised that criminals target them. I'm not against marijuana, but if you have a large grow operation, you are putting your family and neighbors at risk. With the economy in such rough shape more and more people are becoming desperate. Crimes like these won't be decreasing.

Oh and I don't shed a tear for the criminal that was shot to death. Yes, the shooter was wrong, but now there is one less criminal running around.

 

[ItsAllAboutTheT&A]

Residents that grow or manufacture illegal (state level doesn't matter) drugs and alcohol shouldn't be surprised that criminals target them. I'm not against marijuana, but if you have a large grow operation, you are putting your family and neighbors at risk. With the economy in such rough shape more and more people are becoming desperate. Crimes like these won't be decreasing.

Correct. I've been wanting to start a big grow operation since this whole thing was legalized. I even downloaded the paperwork from the state, talked to some pot smoking friends of mine about becoming a caregiver and everything. What stopped me was...I have a family and am not about to put any of them at risk for any amount of money. Its a shady business with shady people.

 

[91trunk]

Correct. I've been wanting to start a big grow operation since this whole thing was legalized. I even downloaded the paperwork from the state, talked to some pot smoking friends of mine about becoming a caregiver and everything. What stopped me was...I have a family and am not about to put any of them at risk for any amount of money. Its a shady business with shady people.

I thought about it also, but on a smaller scale. I've got too much to lose if the Feds decide to start cracking down. Plus the stigma that the business brings isn't one I'd want to be associated with.

 

[chunkybs]

If someone was in this situation and their house was being robbed, could you shoot the person with a "less than lethal" round like a bean bag or something?

It seems like something like that where you could set the person down without killing them, then of you needed you could have other shells loaded behind the BB as well would be the smarter route but I don't know the legalities of using those bean bags.

 

[91trunk]

If someone was in this situation and their house was being robbed, could you shoot the person with a "less than lethal" round like a bean bag or something?

It seems like something like that where you could set the person down without killing them, then of you needed you could have other shells loaded behind the BB as well would be the smarter route but I don't know the legalities of using those bean bags.

The key to defending your house/family is to stop the attack at any cost. Missing with a bean bag could be the difference between life or death. I'd rather have a spray pattern of #7 1/2 shot since there is more chance something will hit.

 

[robvas]

If someone was in this situation and their house was being robbed, could you shoot the person with a "less than lethal" round like a bean bag or something?

It seems like something like that where you could set the person down without killing them, then of you needed you could have other shells loaded behind the BB as well would be the smarter route but I don't know the legalities of using those bean bags.

I'm not sure on the law but you probably can't use a firearm unless your life is threatened, and you'd have to use deadly force, or it's not being threatened.

Personally I wouldn't want to simply injure the person or detain them. Chances are if they were robbing you, since they know where you live they're just going to come back to your house to either finish the job or hurt you once they get out of jail.

My biggest fear of having to use firearm against a robber or someone would be their fucking family or gang coming back on you.

 

[Justindwright]

I'm not sure on the law but you probably can't use a firearm unless your life is threatened, and you'd have to use deadly force, or it's not being threatened.

Personally I wouldn't want to simply injure the person or detain them. Chances are if they were robbing you, since they know where you live they're just going to come back to your house to either finish the job or hurt you once they get out of jail.

My biggest fear of having to use firearm against a robber or someone would be their fucking family or gang coming back on you.

My thoughts exactly..

 

[chunkybs]

Well I would much rather blow the bastard across the room. But with that not being allowed, something like a bean bag then bird shot in the next shell seemed like a good choice since its less likely to result in them dying.

I see what you guys are saying though, very valid points.

 

[kovacs32]

Although it hasnt been a published fact yet, Word is they pistol whipped the guy pretty badly. not sure if they harmed the mom or other women they taped up.

 

[DetroitStyle]

Residents that grow or manufacture illegal (state level doesn't matter) drugs and alcohol shouldn't be surprised that criminals target them. I'm not against marijuana, but if you have a large grow operation, you are putting your family and neighbors at risk. With the economy in such rough shape more and more people are becoming desperate. Crimes like these won't be decreasing.

Oh and I don't shed a tear for the criminal that was shot to death. Yes, the shooter was wrong, but now there is one less criminal running around.

Agreed on all points. They tied him and his mother up? You put your hands on my momma and you're gonna get dealt with. Just sucks that now he's going to get charged for doing society a favor.

 

[DetroitStyle]

If someone was in this situation and their house was being robbed, could you shoot the person with a "less than lethal" round like a bean bag or something?

It seems like something like that where you could set the person down without killing them, then of you needed you could have other shells loaded behind the BB as well would be the smarter route but I don't know the legalities of using those bean bags.

If somebody breaks into your home, that's basically all you need to shoot/kill them. I'm not saying that's super awesome that you get to kill somebody, like it something to be celebrated... however, your house is your "castle".

If you want more details, go on Michigan.gov and look up each of these bills "HBXXXX"

Today Governor Jennifer Granholm signed into law a package of six self-defense bills backed by the National Rifle Association (NRA), bringing “Castle Doctrine” protections to law-abiding Michigan citizens.

“I want to thank the Michigan Legislature and Governor Jennifer Granholm for working together in making this victims’ rights bill into law,” said Chris W. Cox, NRA’s chief lobbyist. “When you’re confronted by a criminal, you don’t have the luxury of time. This Castle Doctrine package states that if victims choose to stand their ground and fight, their decision will not be second-guessed by the State of Michigan. The ability to protect yourself, your children, or your spouse from harm is important, whether you're in your home or outside.”

The six-bill Castle Doctrine Package passed with bi-partisan, supermajority support in both houses of the Michigan legislature:

SB 1046, sponsored by Sen. Alan Cropsey, outlines rebuttal presumptions for justified use of self-defense. The bill makes it clear that there is no “duty to retreat” if a person is in a place where they have a legal right to be.

SB 1185, sponsored by Sen. Ron Jelinek, allows for the award of court and attorney fees in civil cases where it was determined a person acted in accordance with the Self Defense Act and where civil immunities apply.

HB 5548, sponsored by Rep. Tim Moore, gives civil immunities to persons acting in accordance with the Self Defense Act, preventing criminals and their families from suing law-abiding citizens.

HB 5153, sponsored by Rep. Leslie Mortimer, puts the burden of proof on the prosecutor to show that a person acted unlawfully in the application of force, rather than the person using the force having to prove they acted lawfully.

HB 5142, sponsored by Rep. Tom Casperson, expands the definition of “dwelling” to include a person’s garage, barn, backyard, etc.

HB 5143, sponsored by Rep. Rick Jones, creates the Self Defense Act and specifies that it is not a crime to use force or deadly force to defend oneself if that person is not breaking any laws when defensive force was used. The person must be facing imminent threat of death or great bodily harm.

“On behalf of all NRA members in Michigan, I want to thank each of the bills’ chief sponsors for their leadership in seeing these measures become law,” concluded Cox. “The Castle Doctrine is about putting the law back on the side of the victim, the way it’s supposed to be.”

Basically, what the above is saying is that you have no duty to retreat or flee first. If somebody has broken into your house, you have reason to suspect that your life may be in danger. What you choose to do is up to you.... but if I hear a noise, and come around the corner and I'm face to face with an intruder, I've got about 1 second to act and protect myself, my wife and my child.

 

[91trunk]

Agreed on all points. They tied him and his mother up? You put your hands on my momma and you're gonna get dealt with. Just sucks that now he's going to get charged for doing society a favor.

True about his Mom, but the loser is growing pot in her house. Who does that?

 

[kovacs32]

Charged with manslaughter and manufacturing a controlled substance ( he was growing more than permitted by his permit).

http://annarbor.com/news/crime/man-charged-in-fatal-shooting-in-milan/

A man who was robbed of marijuana during a home invasion Thursday in Milan has been charged with manslaughter after police said he chased down one of the intruders and fatally shot him.
Robert Goupill, 50, who is licensed to grow medical marijuana, was arraigned Monday afternoon in 1st District Court in Monroe County on charges of manslaughter and manufacturing a controlled substance, Interim Milan Police Chief Jeremy Nieman said.

The scene Friday morning in the Scottsdale Estates subdivision in Milan, where 28-year-old Jerald Antonio Ogden was found fatally shot.
Goupill is accused in the death of 28-year-old Jerald Antonio Ogden of Ypsilanti, who died of a shotgun wound to the back, the Wayne County Medical Examiner's Office said. Nieman said Goupill faces the drug charge because he was growing more marijuana than legally permitted.
Police said Goupill and two women were in Goupill's home on Anderson Street just before midnight Thursday when Ogden and another man forced their way inside and stole marijuana. Goupill is accused of chasing the intruders along a path that connects to the Scottsdale Estates subdivision and shooting Ogden. The shooting happened roughly 200 yards from Goupill's home, Nieman said.
Ogden was found dead behind a car in the subdivision on O'Brian Drive, while the other man involved in the home invasion ran away, Nieman said. Police continue to look for that man. He is described as black, 6 feet, 3 inches tall, 185 pounds and in his early 20s, police said.
If convicted of manslaughter, Goupill faces up to 15 years in prison. He remains jailed on a $100,000 cash or surety bond.
Anyone with information can call police at (734) 439-1551

 

[chunkybs]

If somebody breaks into your home, that's basically all you need to shoot/kill them. I'm not saying that's super awesome that you get to kill somebody, like it something to be celebrated... however, your house is your "castle".

If you want more details, go on Michigan.gov and look up each of these bills "HBXXXX"


Basically, what the above is saying is that you have no duty to retreat or flee first. If somebody has broken into your house, you have reason to suspect that your life may be in danger. What you choose to do is up to you.... but if I hear a noise, and come around the corner and I'm face to face with an intruder, I've got about 1 second to act and protect myself, my wife and my child.

thanks for the info. i'd rep you but have to wait to do it again.


i agree. if i saw someone tying up my mother and another family member/friend and also pistol whipping me. i don't down that as soon as i got free i'd be hunting them down. it may be legally wrong, but the guy deserved it. it's to bad he didn't get them both.

 

[LilJuicedCoupe]

True about his Mom, but the loser is growing pot in her house. Who does that?

I didnt read the story...But who is to say they aren't both legal?....And why is he a loser? i am sure she knew about it and allowed it to happen if she wasn't legal also....Medical Marijuana is a great thing...It helps THOUSANDS of people...sure there are some that cheat the system...But it's the same with anything...i am sure we all drank and or smoked before 21/18....And yes it is federally illegal to all of us except 3 people one of which is dead...