Hey Walmart lovers... you can thank Walmart for the new debit card fees.

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[TD="class: alt2"]Thank Wal-Mart for your new bank card fee
by Timothy P. Carney Senior Political Columnist
posted 13 hours ago at 7:30pm


When Bank of America announced last week that it would charge $5 a month to customers who make purchases with their debit card, customers railed against the bank.

Many conservatives and libertarians said the anger should be aimed at Congress and the Obama administration, which, through last year's Dodd-Frank financial regulation bill, effectively outlawed the old debit card business model, spurring Bank of America to make this change.

But the real culprit is Walmart and the retail lobby, which used government to squeeze banks and fatten their own bottom line. Walmart won, banks lost, and now customers are stuck with a new monthly fee.

Here's the background: Whenever you use a credit card or debit card to buy something at a store, the credit card processor (like Visa or Mastercard) and the issuing bank (like Bank of America or Chevy Chase Bank) both take a cut. The store may only get $9.70 on a $10 purchase.

How is that rate -- the "interchange fee" -- set? Until this year, it was set by market forces. Visa and Mastercard offer stores a service that facilitates sales and brings in more business. In return, they demand a cut of the sale. Walmart and Joe's Corner Store aren't required to accept debit cards or credit cards, but they do, which means that they decided the price was worth it.

Retailers, of course, wish the card issuers and processors would provide this service for free. Businessmen are always looking for a better deal. The businessmen in this case decided to employ regulatory robbery to get their way. Led by Walmart and the Retail Industry Leaders Association, retailers pushed for a federal cap on interchange fees.

When the Dodd-Frank financial regulation bill came up, Sen. Dick Durbin introduced an amendment giving the Federal Reserve the authority to cap the interchange fee on debit cards (but not credit cards). Durbin, in the misleading populist mold of his fellow Illinoisan, Barack Obama, painted himself as the scourge of the special interests, because he was battling against the banks. But some other special interests were firmly in Durbin's corner: the big retailers.

Melissa Merz, a former press secretary for Durbin, lobbied for Walmart on the financial regulation bill, as did former Durbin legislative aide Donni Turner. The Durbin alumna were both at the Podesta Group, and the firm's lobbying filings indicate both lobbied on "Senate financial services regulatory reform legislation."

At the same time, these retail lobbyists were helping fund Durbin's campaign. Daily Caller reporter Jonathan Strong wrote "one month after the Dodd-Frank financial reform bill passed, both of those former aides, Melissa Merz and Donni Turner, attended an Aug. 10 fundraiser for Durbin hosted by the Podesta Group. A group of lobbyists mostly from the Podesta Group gave Durbin $5,000 on Aug. 10 and a $5,000 check from Walmart's PAC cleared shortly afterward, on Aug. 27."

The returns to the retail industry were huge. As the Federal Reserve prepared its rules setting the maximum per-purchase interchange fee, a Home Depot executive told investors on a conference call "Based on the Fed's draft regulations, we think the benefit to the Home Depot could be $35 million a year."

That $35 million Home Depot gain is a $35 million loss for banks and credit-card processors. Their interchange revenue was central to the business model that allowed banks to offer free checking and free debit-card use.

That business model is now illegal, and so Bank of America has switched to the model they find second best. If they can't make the stores cover the costs of debit cards, make the consumers pay a share. The American Bankers Association calls Bank of America's $5-a-month charge "the Durbin fee."

Durbin, needless to say, doesn't like being blamed for this highly unpopular new fee. He blasted B of A for instituting the fee, calling it "unfair." Other liberals say B of A is just making excuses for fleecing their customers. But Bank of America was always free to charge a monthly fee to debit card customers. It didn't because it thought it could get more customers by charging the stores instead.

Debit-card users don't have the lobbying clout of Walmart and the retail industry. Bank of America customers can't get together and hire Durbin's old staffers.

It's the standard tale of government intervention in the economy: The guy with the best lobbyists wins, and the little guy -- this time, the consumer -- loses. [/TD]

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it wasnt just wal mart speedway had petitions in the stores for people to sign, the employees were giving bonus based on the number of signatures they got,
 
"amendment giving the Federal Reserve the authority to cap the interchange fee on debit cards (but not credit cards)."

My, isn't that telling!



They can't charge you to use cash, cash is & always will be king.

Flagstar doesn't charge me when I use my debit card. I don't pay
any kind of bank fees - EVER!
 
PNC hasn't changed anything yet either.

As a potentially obvious question, what if you're using your debit card as credit? Which way does that work?
 
they arent charging anything YET banks are notorious for the "me to " attitude once chase gets away with it for a year or so the rest will fall in line,
 
This comes back to eliminating cash getting everyone used to not having it and using their credit/debt cards. Then charging them to do so. Go to the bank get the money you need for the week and stop using your debt cards. Like your folks or grandparents did. Get a check book. they seemed to work just fine and don't cost extra. Retailers used to charge extra for taking credit cards, it became so common that nobody wanted to pay anymore. but we all knew the fees would be back and here they are.
 
I wanted to use cash to pay for my cycle endorsement test a few weekends ago, they said they don't accept cash... WHAT?!?!?! lol.
 
They had free checking before debit cards got really popular, so I don't see how this would affect that offering from banks. Note the banks are still making money on Debit cards, just not as much as they were. Bank of America is adding the fee to "Make up for lost revenue", which means they were just making a ton of money off it, and would prefer to keep making that money. it was a cash cow, and now it is being taken away.

And I don't blame Walmart or "Big Retail"one bit. On a $10 transaction, the banks were making a much bigger percentage on a debit than a credit. Retailers don't have the margins nowadays to cover that hit. They may be saving $35 million this year at home depot, but that was money they didn't have to spend 10 years ago.

And seriously, why would anyone use a debit over a credit? Why give them the cash on the spot when you can pay for it at the end of the month? The only time I use my debit is to get money from the ATM machine. If I could get the debit option removed I would.

-Geoff
 
The only reason debit cards came out was to reduce the cost of check processing...lol. So, even if they have to pay more for using debit now, using a check is more expensive. If my bank starts to charge, I'll go to another with free debit cards or a credit union. If those options dont pan out, I'll go back to checks and let them chew on that for a bit.

I use my debit card for every purchase other than my house, cars, or big ticket items. I like paying cash and seeing it take immediately- I check my account often. Not to mention, if you accidentally miss a credit card payment, you're f'd w/fees. no thx.
 
Easier to get fucked with a debit card than a credit card since the money comes out of your account instantly.
 
And I don't blame Walmart or "Big Retail"one bit. On a $10 transaction, the banks were making a much bigger percentage on a debit than a credit. Retailers don't have the margins nowadays to cover that hit.
Tough shit - then don't accept the cards, or charge a premium for them, which IMO is what they should be doing. I pay cash, so I'd like the 2-3% discount.
 
Easier to get fucked with a debit card than a credit card since the money comes out of your account instantly.

Not if you know how much you have in there. Not to mention I always have a nice amount of padding to avoid that.
 
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