I would take an M&P over a XD any day of the week.
I had a full-size .45 XD with a trigger job that I almost liked, but all the other ones that I've shot...
Gun Guys: Glock 23 vs. S&W M&P?
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I would take an M&P over a XD any day of the week.
I had a full-size .45 XD with a trigger job that I almost liked, but all the other ones that I've shot...
avbcon12
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Agreed, for me it was M&P and I couldnt be happier.
All a matter of personal opinion.
It all boils down to a person needing to try all of them out, picking which ever one they like the most and then practice, practice, practice.
DetroitStyle
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I've had my M&P for 3 years now. The trigger WAS gritty at first, but it has smoothed out. I have probably 2000 rounds through it, without a single problem. I take that back, I had ONE fte the first day I had it.... but never since.
There are a LOT of Glock people seeing the light and coming over to the M&P (and I say this owning both)
There are a LOT of Glock people seeing the light and coming over to the M&P (and I say this owning both)
02 Silver Z
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Good stuff guys. Thanks for the input.
SVT32VDOHC
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I have a Glock, love it. Prolly have 300-500 rounds through it. No problems.
I have a friend who HATES Glocks. I can't even talk guns with him, since he knows I own one. His reason for hating is cause they are "plastic". What do you guys think about that comment?
I have a friend who HATES Glocks. I can't even talk guns with him, since he knows I own one. His reason for hating is cause they are "plastic". What do you guys think about that comment?
Needed a break in period then huh? Interesting. Glock's eat anything right out of the box and their triggers don't suck.
But at least it looks tacticool, right? (just busting your balls) Me think's he's a 1911 snob, or plain old ignoramous Americanis. Ask him why 65% of law enforcement agency's in America use Glocks if polymer pistol's are so awful.
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The 4th gen isn't proven yet. Why be a guinea pig.
SVT32VDOHC
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Needed a break in period then huh? Interesting. Glock's eat anything right out of the box and their triggers don't suck.
Me think's he's a 1911 snob, or plain old ignoramous Americanis. Ask him why 65% of law enforcement agency's in America use Glocks if polymer pistol's are so awful.
I've love to see him have a conversation with you. I know I don't know a whole lot. But I actually think he knows less than I do. :lol: He's pro Sig, if that means anything.
DetroitStyle
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Needed a break in period then huh? Interesting. Glock's eat anything right out of the box and their triggers don't suck.
It's like a fine wine. It's gets better and better with age.
DetroitStyle
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I own a Sig as well. It's by far my nicest gun. But it's not ideal for daily carry.
LOL, the responses to these types of threads crack me up. But I'll throw in my $0.02 anyway, lol.
Reliability - most any modern pistol is going to have at least reasonable reliability as a group, so the whole "X pistols are junk, Y's pistols are super duper extra reliable" mantra is just silly, they have all had issues at one time or another, and they all work to resolve those issues as quickly as they can. Even Kel-Tec pistols have a pretty reasonable reliability record on the whole. What you need to be concerned about is the individual reliablity of YOUR particular pistol, whatever brand you choose, you need to run lots of ammo, of many different types through it until you are 100% comfortable it will go bang every time you pull the trigger.
Choosing the right pistol for you - Just about any modern pistol from one of the big names will be at least adequate for anyone, Glock, M&P, Xd, Sig, etc etc, but they all feel different both when held, and when fired. This is why you always get the recommendations to shoot every different pistol you are considering. For me, Sig makes very nice guns, but the grips tend to be too big in my hand, making them slightly uncomfortable, though I shoot them very well. Glocks, I like the trigger, and I shoot them reasonably well, but the squareish grip and the the angle of the grip make its point of aim unnatural for me. Xd, I don't like the grip safety, and the high bore axis makes the gun "flip" more in recoil compared to other similar guns. I chose the M&Ps because they fit me the best, and I shoot them the best out of the group. The trigger is a sore point for a lot of people, but you aren't doing bullseye shooting at 75 yards anyway, and it smooths out after a few hundred rounds anyway. Plus, its cheap, and easy to either improve the trigger yourself or get an aftermarket sear (local guy makes a really good sear for like $30). Plus I'm a lefty, so the ambi controls on the M&P were a big selling point for me.
The main point being, as others have said, shoot them all and pick the one that you shoot the best and are most comfortable with. Though, Scooter70 and I have taken people to the range for them to shoot his G19 and my M&P9 and 9c, and so far the M&P is 3 for 3 with the people we've tried this with....
On Edit - I wouldn't be too concerned about "aftermarket" either. There are only a few things that are important for the typical owner anyway. The vast majority of the aftermarket stuff out there is for the "gamers" (like IPSC, etc) and the mall ninjas. Things like good sights/night sights are available for everything, even red dot sights if that's something you want (though, done right they need to have the slide custom machined anyway), and pretty much all of them have a standard rail under the barrel for lights, lasers, whatever.
On Second Edit - just to hit on it again, but Scooter's post was spot on, whatever you get, practice practice practice. Get your CPL, get good training, and shoot as often as your schedule and budget will allow. A defensive pistol will do little good if you don't know how to employ it properly, and haven't practiced it enough to where it is second nature to operate in a stressful situation.
Reliability - most any modern pistol is going to have at least reasonable reliability as a group, so the whole "X pistols are junk, Y's pistols are super duper extra reliable" mantra is just silly, they have all had issues at one time or another, and they all work to resolve those issues as quickly as they can. Even Kel-Tec pistols have a pretty reasonable reliability record on the whole. What you need to be concerned about is the individual reliablity of YOUR particular pistol, whatever brand you choose, you need to run lots of ammo, of many different types through it until you are 100% comfortable it will go bang every time you pull the trigger.
Choosing the right pistol for you - Just about any modern pistol from one of the big names will be at least adequate for anyone, Glock, M&P, Xd, Sig, etc etc, but they all feel different both when held, and when fired. This is why you always get the recommendations to shoot every different pistol you are considering. For me, Sig makes very nice guns, but the grips tend to be too big in my hand, making them slightly uncomfortable, though I shoot them very well. Glocks, I like the trigger, and I shoot them reasonably well, but the squareish grip and the the angle of the grip make its point of aim unnatural for me. Xd, I don't like the grip safety, and the high bore axis makes the gun "flip" more in recoil compared to other similar guns. I chose the M&Ps because they fit me the best, and I shoot them the best out of the group. The trigger is a sore point for a lot of people, but you aren't doing bullseye shooting at 75 yards anyway, and it smooths out after a few hundred rounds anyway. Plus, its cheap, and easy to either improve the trigger yourself or get an aftermarket sear (local guy makes a really good sear for like $30). Plus I'm a lefty, so the ambi controls on the M&P were a big selling point for me.
The main point being, as others have said, shoot them all and pick the one that you shoot the best and are most comfortable with. Though, Scooter70 and I have taken people to the range for them to shoot his G19 and my M&P9 and 9c, and so far the M&P is 3 for 3 with the people we've tried this with....
On Edit - I wouldn't be too concerned about "aftermarket" either. There are only a few things that are important for the typical owner anyway. The vast majority of the aftermarket stuff out there is for the "gamers" (like IPSC, etc) and the mall ninjas. Things like good sights/night sights are available for everything, even red dot sights if that's something you want (though, done right they need to have the slide custom machined anyway), and pretty much all of them have a standard rail under the barrel for lights, lasers, whatever.
On Second Edit - just to hit on it again, but Scooter's post was spot on, whatever you get, practice practice practice. Get your CPL, get good training, and shoot as often as your schedule and budget will allow. A defensive pistol will do little good if you don't know how to employ it properly, and haven't practiced it enough to where it is second nature to operate in a stressful situation.
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I don't consider myself a mall ninja for owning 33 round glock 18 mags.
i agree with everything else you said though------> except the whole M&P thing. M&P's suck.
Scooter70
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Damn you.
issed:I don't consider myself a mall ninja for owning 33 round glock 18 mags.
i agree with everything else you said though------> except the whole M&P thing. M&P's suck.
We all know that Brian is a little bit jealous of our 33rd mags. He has told me that he's going to buy a 9mm Glock one of these days just so that he can use the big-boy mags. I've shot both of his M&Ps many times and I just don't seem to put rounds on target with either of them like I can with my G19.
Same here, I've shot a couple of M&P's also and they just don't shoot well for me. I've given them a fair chance I'd say. All the triggers sucked except on Brian's, and I know he's done work on his.
I don't get why people say glocks are fugly. I think they're the hotness....
I don't get why people say glocks are fugly. I think they're the hotness....