Gun Crew.... In defense of the 9.

[ReiKo]

I understand the theory that a weapon with less kick is more accurate, especially when under pressure. I have 2 caliber pistols, my 2 45's and my 380. My line of thinking says that with my poor shooting under pressure, Im going to either A. hit you and do ALOT of damage with the bullets that do find their mark or B. Assailant is gonna freak at the size of the gun shooting at him and run. Thats the hope anyways.

And if your un-steady hand releases a .45 round and missed the guy completely... You will have a lawsuit on your hands for a lot of stuff... And if you do get into a gun fight... Nobody can tell or cares that you have a .45 when they are returning fire...

 

[WhiteHawk]

The ammo makes a big difference too. I was out shooting up an old car with a couple buddies and the Wolf ammo wouldn;t even break the door skin, whereas the Winchester would make a nice hole. No cheap ammo after that!

-Geoff

 

[Lunger]

well once again lets not talk so called bench racing , what if what would be , lets look at REAL LIFE instances.

My second FTS was with a 9mm Browning P-35. The subject, a terrorist (who was "rockin' 'n rollin'" an AK-47, fortunately with the stock folded, at me during the entire encounter) was struck under the left nipple by my first shot with no effect. Luckily -- and coincidentally -- my second shot, while it struck within two inches of the first, penetrated sufficiently to shatter his spinal column, both incapacitating and killing him almost instantly.

http://www.chucktaylorasaa.com/stoppingpower.html


and for Reiko before ya cry lol

The first handgun failure-to-stop (FTS) I experienced was with a 4-inch .357 Magnum and 158 gr. JHPs. My adversary panicked upon realizing he had been hit in the chest, abandoned his weapon and ran a full sixty yards in the opposite direction before he became incapacitated, collapsed and died.

from the same place

and one more for red

Were I to "play the percentages," or base my opinion on a more narrow examination such as (for example) a review of the files of the law enforcement agencies with which I have been associated or draw from my own personal experiences alone, I could legitimately state that .45 ACP 230 gr. "hardball" fired from a M-1911 Colt auto, is 100% effective!
How? Simple -- in all of the departmental shootings in which it was used, it worked. And because in five of the seven pistol fights in which I have been a participant, I used a .45 with ball ammo -- and it worked. I won all five with my first shot, my opponent collapsing before I could fire again. Five center hits, five one-shot stops, five DOS (dead on the scene).

 

[DetroitStyle]

My problem with that concept is that in a situation were you need to pull your gun, not everyone is going to be dirty harry smooth and steady. And secondly, if your shooting someone whos on something like PCP or coked up, you better have either steady aim or alot of bullets! I read a story a long while ago in National Rifleman that a cop had wrote in detailing how he had shot a PCP junkie 23 times with a 9mm before he went down.

My ex g/f's dad was a Detroit police officer. He was also a former Mr. Detroit and a fullback at Wayne State. He said that he tried to tackle a PCP freak and the guy ran, with a 240lb Detroit cop on his back, getting punched in the back of the head... for over 2 blocks.

 

[mini4m3]

There is something to be said for small vs large round, however there is something to be said about shot placement as well...

Its just that simple.

 

[$uperstang]

You can't compare a 9mm vs .45.

.45 will drop you dead with a nice Mass shot 9mm may not, it's that simple.

 

[postban]

When can we start arguing 30.06 vs 270?
It's about the only thing stupider than some statements in this thread.
Maybe after that a quick round of Mustang vs Camaro......

:2girls: :893Poopy:

 

[Dr. Teeth]

Does anyone have a link to those Strasbourg tests mentioned in the article? I found crib notes that talked about EEG testing on anesthetized animals and can't come up with anything else other than conjecture on message boards...

 

[DetroitStyle]

When can we start arguing 30.06 vs 270?
It's about the only thing stupider than some statements in this thread.
Maybe after that a quick round of Mustang vs Camaro......

:2girls: :893Poopy:

oooh ooooh can we play import vs domestic next?

 

[jsxtreme]

oooh ooooh can we play import vs domestic next?

And then NASCAR vs NHRA!

 

[$uperstang]

and my dad is tougher than your dad