Gas to rise 7 cents a gallon, registration fees 20 percent for road plan

mdhmi said:
I guess so as I value my time and support of Michigan infrastructure far more than $1-3 per tank of fuel or $120 a year in added registration fees.

I don't want to pay any more than necessary, but registering your vehicles in a state you don't live in, etc is nothing beyond stealing in my opinion.

We all use our roads and we should all contribute to maintaining them.
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Perhaps you should consider making a donation to MDOT,
seeing how much you believe in their mission in all.
 
DBK said:
I'm aware that people get away with it, which is why I said it probably won't last much longer.

Yeehaw I saved a couple thousand bucks but got dragged into court.
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I agree, it may not be worth it & it most likely will be changing.
 
mdhmi said:
We all use our roads and we should all contribute to maintaining them.
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I totally agree, and last I checked, I am shelling out thousands of dollars to the state every year. Why don't they use some of what I am already giving them? Now they say the roads will fall apart without another $40 per car? If the state can't figure out how to work with the $50 billion they already spend, they can go suck a big fat one.

Here is my solution: Lets' cut 2% from the other 93% of the state budget and shift the billion dollars it saves to the roads. Problem solved! Taxes stay the same. Not so tough either.

-Geoff
 
If that's the case, why don't the jackasses that ride their bicycles on the very same roads that the motor vehicle driving citizens have to pay higher registration fees and gas prices for. I believe that if they want to ride on the roads that we are paying for, they should have to license, insure, register and renew yearly the same as the rest of us or be confined to the sidewalks.
 
The governor is a farse and nothing but a dictator. This went to vote and did not pass so sign it in anyway wtf. This asshole continues to raise taxes (pension, gas, registration, even my fucking deer license) but everyone thinks he is so great because he hates unions.

What about the thousands of trucks coming and going all day everyday? No taxation there and they screw the roads up more than my minivan.

How about the bike path along i275? How millions did that cost? Is that necessary?

The wasteful spending has not been stopped but raise our taxes again.

So wrong!!
 
Make those that walk on public land to register there footwear (fee based on brand and purpose) , maintain a license (with a current record showing status of comprehensive foot examination {CFE}), and enforce to pay for a designated set of laces to distinguish properly renewed said footwear. Should the CFE indicate signs of degradation of health, penalize or revoke walking license until further CFE can show appropriate status.



:D
 
Great. Less money in my pocket, instead going to the same broken system that has failed to produce quality roads for the last 20 years. Same old bullshit politics. Instead of fixing the problem, just throw more of someone else's money at it.
 
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AutoEuphoria said:
Great. Less money in my pocket, instead going to the same broken system that has failed to produce quality roads for the last 20 years.
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You point out the problem.
We have crumbling roads due to the way we fix them and the weights we allow to drive on them.
We have a bureaucracy that allows each county, each city to fix the roads as they see fit and spend the monies as they see fit, each filled with paid boards, commissions, engineers & committees all drawing
from the funds with no over site. I would put my money on 5-7-10 years from now their will be zero improvement in the conditions of our roads, we will have more paid positions & employees of road
commissions...legacy costs & commitments of more full time paid employees vs better roads.
Look at the 100 million or so the federal goverment gave Detroit for tearing down houses.... boondoggle of money split up among friends... over charging for services. Duggan might not survive over it.
I don't expect anything different from this flood of cash.
 
4Gas$ said:
Perhaps you should consider making a donation to MDOT,seeing how much you believe in their mission in all.
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I use the roads and I don't mind contributing to the cost of maintaining them.
I make a donation every time I fuel up my vehicle, renew my license plate tabs, or more generally any time I spend money in Michigan or report income in Michigan.

WhiteHawk said:
I am shelling out thousands of dollars to the state every year. Why don't they use some of what I am already giving them?
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State taxes are pretty low when you consider how many services the state funds. 6% sales tax + 4% income tax. That's really not terrible at all.
The real cost is schools. I pay (as does everyone else who has a decent income) thousands upon thousands for schools I don't even use. I don't have kids.
My school taxes are more than a car note!. But whatever, that's "for the children".

WhiteHawk said:
Now they say the roads will fall apart without another $40 per car?
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Not quite. In this case the roads have already fallen apart and now they need the $40 to put them back together. :ohnoes:

Detroit Gearbox said:
I don't expect anything different from this flood of cash.
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I don't expect them to be perfect, but I do think they'll be improved by added investment.

Obviously I'd prefer the roads be repaired using existing revenue, however that's not a realistic option given every dollar has a constituency.

Roads are one of the few legitimate responsibilities of government. This is the Motor City. Our roads shouldn't suck.
 
^^^holy shit thats a lot of money. That will black top a two lane road 3" for three miles for the same cost. I just asked my local road commissioner today. It cost roughly $1 million to do a two lane road one mile 3" thick. He told me to make it last years without issues they should be tar and chipped every three years at $100k a mile for two lanes, which most of the time doesn't happen hense the problem we have now.
 
Falcon64 said:
^^^holy shit thats a lot of money. That will black top a two lane road 3" for three miles for the same cost. I just asked my local road commissioner today. It cost roughly $1 million to do a two lane road one mile 3" thick. He told me to make it last years without issues they should be tar and chipped every three years at $100k a mile for two lanes, which most of the time doesn't happen hense the problem we have now.
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Correct, the ballpark cost is a million per lane mile for HMA pavement. However, the cost I gave is all inclusive.....signing, pavement markings, structure work, maintaining traffic, drainage, erosion control.....everything needed to complete the job.

So in all fairness that same amount won't blacktop 3 miles.

--Joe
 
DBK said:
Montana LLC thing probably won't last much longer. Lots of people with exotic cars have done it for years, but some states will come after you for it. California has a website where you can report your Montana-plated tax-evading neighbors. Some states will monitor where RVs are garaged and send you the tax bill.

Don't think it's worth it to be in a legal grey area like that.
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Guys we were talking about registration fees in this thread. I wasn't referring to using the LLC for tax avoidance, just registration fee avoidance. They can't get you on tax evasion if it paid taxes on your vehicle already. Also its not illegal, if the government don't like it, eliminate the loopholes. Life is a huge game of economics, you can play to win and take chances or you can be a sheep.

I've literally been all over the country and I can't fathom why the roads here in Detroit are so bad. I've determined it has nothing to do with road cost and everything to do with a corrupt government. There are many smaller northern towns and cities, small communities with fine roads.

States with no income tax at all have good roads, they just budget better...
 
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ultradriver10000 said:
Guys we were talking about registration fees in this thread. I wasn't referring to using the LLC for tax avoidance, just registration fee avoidance. They can't get you on tax evasion if it paid taxes on your vehicle already. Also its not illegal, if the government don't like it, eliminate the loopholes. Life is a huge game of economics, you can play to win and take chances or you can be a sheep.

I've literally been all over the country and I can't fathom why the roads here in Detroit are so bad. I've determined it has nothing to do with road cost and everything to do with a corrupt government. There are many smaller northern towns and cities, small communities with fine roads.

States with no income tax at all have good roads, they just budget better...
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For a new Michigander, you sure seem to already understand
the plight of our states roads. These are things I & many others
believe to be the issues too.

Having worked in Michigan government, I have witnessed the
problems firsthand. Frankly, there doesn’t appear to be a
way (or will) to correct this negative path this state is determined
to follow.
 
Been here since July, didn't take long. Being in Houston for ~8 years really opens your eyes up to what a properly run government can do. When you see 8+ lane super highways built in record time....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_State_Highway_99

State Highway 99, also known as the Grand Parkway, is a Texas highway which opened its first section in 1994. When State Highway 99 is complete, it will be the longest beltway in the U.S., and the third (outer) loop within Houston–The Woodlands–Sugar Land metropolitan area, with Interstate 610 being the first (inner) loop, and Beltway 8 (Sam Houston Tollway) being the second (middle) loop. The proposed 170-mile (270 km) loop has been divided into 11 separate segments for construction and funding purposes.[1] Only 3 of the 11 segments are complete. As of December 25, 2011, all segments except A have been fully funded.
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