Ford to eliminate most passenger cars by 2022

DeFormula said:
I'm thinking that this means we should all buy what we want soon, because a few years down the road you won't be able to buy what you want, unless it's used.
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Yea, this is like 60's right now, with all the awesome performance cars. And the 70's are coming. This time it isn't a gas shortage coming, it is mandated electrics and CAFE coming to ruin the fun. Unless I can afford an upgrade to a ZL1, I will be keeping my 2016 Camaro for a LONG time.

-Geoff
 
Tin said:
Battery tech is getting better by the day. There have been tests run on newer production Volts that took them over 300k miles with no discernible difference in vehicle range. I don't know how they tested the vehicle, but one thing I do wonder about is the amount of charge cycles. Batteries only have so many recharges before they begin to peter out, and if electric vehicle owners keep them tethered to the charger like they do cell phones, the battery may last well under that mileage.
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I think the volt has a temperature controlled battery pack. That is a big reason they are getting so much life out of them. A lot of the electric cars coming out don't have that feature.

-Geoff
 
AutoRoc said:
will we be like cuba? :) Everyone driving 2015 mustangs in 2050.
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Well, there are always the majority of people that aren't enthusiasts like us. Many will like the soul-less electrics and hybrids. They will actually like not hearing an engine! They will especially like it when they don't have to worry about actually driving so they can text all the way to work w/o EVER looking at the road.
 
Everyone wants an SUV, even though they aren't any more useful than a car. Its all perception.

I love a cars, SUVs do nothing well, they do everything ok.
 
SUVs have more utility, can generally tow more, have better ground clearance, visibility, etc. And now that they're crossovers they ride, handle and burn fuel more like a car. If you have a family they are better for outings, etc. Easy to see why they have become so popular. When it comes to performance driving, cars win hands down. As long as I can I plan to have at least one of each.
 
wikdsvt said:
If gas prices go up, ford is out of business.
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Comments like this are hilarious. Do you really think Ford hasn't considered that? Do you honestly think Ford couldn't retool a plant to make smaller fuel efficient cars? You do understand this is only in the US, right?

I honestly want to know your thoughts on these questions.
 
jsxtreme said:
Comments like this are hilarious. Do you really think Ford hasn't considered that? Do you honestly think Ford couldn't retool a plant to make smaller fuel efficient cars? You do understand this is only in the US, right?

I honestly want to know your thoughts on these questions.
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LMAO. It was a great reply by him.
 
Everyone does realize that a "crossover" like the Escape is essentially just a tall Focus wagon, right? Ford has determined that they have too many similar models globally and need to pare down the number to something more economical. Yes, it's a bit heavier but that's what the customers want right now. As Justin said, it's not that they're abandoning cars globally so bringing something from Europe back here to the US wouldn't be a large stretch.

For those that are worried about performance vehicles, Mustang isn't going anywhere and they've talked about "whitespace" vehicles coming sooner or later.
 
I wouldn't be real worried about fuel economy. The thing about the GTDI engines is that they get shit fuel economy because everyone is addicted to boost. The difference between my driving and my wife's driving is easily 4 mpg average. She has lead foot syndrome in her DD, and I just don't give a shit about driving slow-ish cars fast, so I drive way more chill. If the public gets freaked about gas prices, they have a lot more control over their fuel economy (right foot) than they used to.
 
WhiteHawk said:
I think the volt has a temperature controlled battery pack. That is a big reason they are getting so much life out of them. A lot of the electric cars coming out don't have that feature.

-Geoff
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Ah I didn't know that. That's a great feature to have, heat is hard on battery cells.
 
Scooter70 said:
Everyone does realize that a "crossover" like the Escape is essentially just a tall Focus wagon, right? Ford has determined that they have too many similar models globally and need to pare down the number to something more economical. Yes, it's a bit heavier but that's what the customers want right now. As Justin said, it's not that they're abandoning cars globally so bringing something from Europe back here to the US wouldn't be a large stretch.

For those that are worried about performance vehicles, Mustang isn't going anywhere and they've talked about "whitespace" vehicles coming sooner or later.
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Exactly!

My Honda CRV AWD is basically a Honda Civic that
is a wagon that sits a little higher.

I don't get the mileage of a Civic, but average 25 MPG
for my little SUV. I don't drive it easy either, everyone
else seems to get better mileage than me! :lol:
 
Lets hope Ford puts out performance variants of their CUVs. It would be cool to see an Ecosport ST or RS with AWD.
 
Scooter70 said:
With the Edge ST and Explorer ST already announced it's not out of the realm of possibility.
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Don't they already have an Edge with the 2.7 turbo? That would be a pretty stout ride with the same kind of performance bump they give to the Mustangs with that engine.

-Geoff
 
jsxtreme said:
Comments like this are hilarious. Do you really think Ford hasn't considered that? Do you honestly think Ford couldn't retool a plant to make smaller fuel efficient cars? You do understand this is only in the US, right?

I honestly want to know your thoughts on these questions.
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Yea it's not like this has ever happened. Oh yea. It happened to Chrysler. Twice.

-Geoff
 
Tin said:
Battery tech is getting better by the day. There have been tests run on newer production Volts that took them over 300k miles with no discernible difference in vehicle range. I don't know how they tested the vehicle, but one thing I do wonder about is the amount of charge cycles. Batteries only have so many recharges before they begin to peter out, and if electric vehicle owners keep them tethered to the charger like they do cell phones, the battery may last well under that mileage.
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Take all that test data and throw it out the window... Real world drivers are always the pandora's box that causes the unforeseen problem...
1BADAIR said:
Some allow individual cell replacement . Others do not
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Yeah and wait till a DIY gets killed because he didn't have the right tools for the high voltage batteries cause he wanted to save a few bucks and replace that one cell...
 
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