fitness people- who is still making progress?

[$uperstang]

I am not presenting you with an argument, I am simply stating my opinion.

I really don't care about your IBW calculator, you can sit here and tell him he is fine and he can keep doing what he has been for the last 3 years and stay at 135. However if he wants to make serious progress he has to find the ideal weight lifting program that suits him based on what his goals are.

Lucky, you can keep doing what you are doing but if you are serious you can PM me and I can help you get to where you want to be based on your schedule throughout the week with a plan and diet; just let me know. Or you can plug you numbers in to a calculator and hope that everything works out for you.

 

[bsnub]

I am not presenting you with an argument, I am simply stating my opinion.

I really don't care about your IBW calculator, you can sit here and tell him he is fine and he can keep doing what he has been for the last 3 years and stay at 135. However if he wants to make serious progress he has to find the ideal weight lifting program that suits him based on what his goals are.

Lucky, you can keep doing what you are doing but if you are serious you can PM me and I can help you get to where you want to be based on your schedule throughout the week with a plan and diet; just let me know. Or you can plug you numbers in to a calculator and hope that everything works out for you.

X2 Lol yup!!!

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[PaxNovi 5.0]

Bingo!

 

[holset35]

SHIT I am a complete cow obese heffer at 5'11 205

 

[raroz28]

I am not presenting you with an argument, I am simply stating my opinion.

I really don't care about your IBW calculator, you can sit here and tell him he is fine and he can keep doing what he has been for the last 3 years and stay at 135. However if he wants to make serious progress he has to find the ideal weight lifting program that suits him based on what his goals are.

Lucky, you can keep doing what you are doing but if you are serious you can PM me and I can help you get to where you want to be based on your schedule throughout the week with a plan and diet; just let me know. Or you can plug you numbers in to a calculator and hope that everything works out for you.

I was talking to the other member, not you.

Either way, I was of the impression that he was happy with his weight and just wanted to get rid of a bit of fat around his waist and he had no interest in lifting weights.

Your opinion is that he is too thin. I am saying that he is not.

 

[raroz28]

SHIT I am a complete cow obese heffer at 5'11 205

You do realize what I was trying to say don't you? I am not saying a BMI chart is how you determine your ideal weight, I was simply using it to help in my case against what the other person said in that "That is too thin for most men" and while that may be true, there are some men who are healthy and that is their normal weight.

Obviously a person like you who bulks and is trying to put on weight/muscle will not use a BMI chart because what you are doing for your body is not natural.

If you look at his pictures you would not be of the impression that he is too thin, people are only saying that because they know what he weighs and that doesn't make sense to me.

If I told you a guy is 6'2 375 you would think he is a fat ass and post about what he needs to do to get into shape and then when you see his picture and it's Ronnie Coleman you will have a different perspective.

Then $uperstang comes in with the assumption that Lucky is wanting to make "gains" and put on weight/muscle when I'm pretty sure (I could be wrong) he said that he had no interest in going into the gym and he was happy with his weight loss but just wanted to lose a little bit of fat around his waist. He has no interest in a weight lifting diet/regime to put on weight and muscle mass.

Am I missing something here? Where is the confusion about this topic?

 

[PaxNovi 5.0]

I was talking to the other member, not you.

Either way, I was of the impression that he was happy with his weight and just wanted to get rid of a bit of fat around his waist and he had no interest in lifting weights.

Your opinion is that he is too thin. I am saying that he is not.

I didn't have to reply, because Superstang summed it up for me. Essentially, your argument is also directed to Superstang, since he holds the same opinion I do. That's how I interpreted it anyway.

But this isn't the point. Lucky7 said he is not happy with his stomach area. He wants to lose the fat and I'm assuming get abs? So, in order to do so, what's he gonna have to lose overall? Another 10-15 lbs? Then weigh 120-125 lbs at that point? I'm standing by my opinion that that is too thin given his goal. And lifting, even though he may not be open to it at the moment, would offer a nice solution to put him at a nice equilibrium.

Either way, we need to simply agree to disagree. Rather than arguing and unintentionally picking on Lucky7, we need to bow out and just need to offer him constructive advice and options!!!!

 

[raroz28]

I didn't have to reply, because Superstang summed it up for me. Essentially, your argument is also directed to Superstang, since he holds the same opinion I do. That's how I interpreted it anyway.

But this isn't the point. Lucky7 said he is not happy with his stomach area. He wants to lose the fat and I'm assuming get abs? So, in order to do so, what's he gonna have to lose? Another 10-15 lbs? Then weigh 120-125 lbs at that point? I'm standing by my opinion that that is too thin given his goal. And lifting, even though he may not be open to it at the moment, would offer a nice solution to put him at a nice equilibrium.

Either way, we need to simply agree to disagree. Rather than arguing and unintentionally picking on Lucky7, we need to bow out and just need to offer him constructive advice and options!!!!

What he said didn't even make sense.

 

[PaxNovi 5.0]

You do realize what I was trying to say don't you? I am not saying a BMI chart is how you determine your ideal weight, I was simply using it to help in my case against what the other person said in that "That is too thin for most men" and while that may be true, there are some men who are healthy and that is their normal weight.

Obviously a person like you who bulks and is trying to put on weight/muscle will not use a BMI chart because what you are doing for your body is not natural.

If you look at his pictures you would not be of the impression that he is too thin, people are only saying that because they know what he weighs and that doesn't make sense to me.

If I told you a guy is 6'2 375 you would think he is a fat ass and post about what he needs to do to get into shape and then when you see his picture and it's Ronnie Coleman you will have a different perspective.

Then $uperstang comes in with the assumption that Lucky is wanting to make "gains" and put on weight/muscle when I'm pretty sure (I could be wrong) he said that he had no interest in going into the gym and he was happy with his weight loss but just wanted to lose a little bit of fat around his waist. He has no interest in a weight lifting diet/regime to put on weight and muscle mass.

Am I missing something here? Where is the confusion about this topic?

Yes, I'd say you're missing the point. As you even quoted, I said most men and not all, and it seems you even tend to agree for the most part. He may or may not fall within the majority. However, you're acting like I stated as a fact that 135 lbs is too thin, I can't stress enough how many times I've said in my opinion. And citing a 50 year old formula doesn't really help your case, again, in my opinion.

He's been dieting or 3 years it sounds like. You can only diet so long, before the body shuts down and slows metabolism. Once that down regulates, no more losses. Metabolism comes from muscle. Metabolism can be boosted by exercise. Lifting is exercise. Lifting builds muscle with proper technique and proper diet. Add the muscle, boost the metabolism, and burn the extra little fat he wants to lose around his waist/stomach area while filling out the rest of the frame.

It's a very reasonable and proven solution to what he wants to achieve. But as I previously said, I'm bowing out of the argument at this point. I feel like we're being assholes toward Lucky7 by singling him out, and that's not cool.

 

[$uperstang]

Lucky7 said he is not happy with his stomach area. He wants to lose the fat and I'm assuming get abs? So, in order to do so, what's he gonna have to lose? Another 10-15 lbs? Then weigh 120-125 lbs at that point? lifting, even though he may not be open to it at the moment, would offer a nice solution to put him at a nice equilibrium!

DIING! DING! DING! We have a winner!

 

[raroz28]

DIING! DING! DING! We have a winner!

Cause a guy who weighs 135 can't see his abs that means he has 10-15 pounds of fat covering them? Got it.

 

[PaxNovi 5.0]

Cause a guy who weighs 135 can't see his abs that means he has 10-15 pounds of fat covering them? Got it.

Cause Spot Fat Removal is a myth. Yep. Got it... Nowhere was it said that amount was covering his abs. It was said as overall weight.

 

[smooth]

Cause Spot Fat Removal is a myth.

Preach on my brotha!!!

 

[lucky7]

Oh boy, what the hell happened in here? :lol:

I'll be honest, I don't really worry about my weight at this point. I now also understand that in order to really lose it, I'll have to replace it with muscle, essentially. I just don't have the motivation or time to commit to a gym right now. I thought about getting one in the fall when school begins again. For the summer though, I'll likely be back and fourth from Plymouth, to EL, to Rochester. You guys have been informative. I'm not getting involved in this thread though. :lol:

 

[raroz28]

Cause Spot Fat Removal is a myth. Yep. Got it... Nowhere was it said that amount was covering his abs. It was said as overall weight.

You have gone so far off away from the original discussion that the original premises aren't even there. You have rambled and gone off on a tangent. It's called a slippery slope fallacy. Bill Oreilly does it all the time. Just try to keep in mind your original claim, which you have not defended at all with any type of argument.

 

[PaxNovi 5.0]

You have gone so far off away from the original discussion that the original premises aren't even there. You have rambled and gone off on a tangent. It's called a slippery slope fallacy. Bill Oreilly does it all the time. Just try to keep in mind your original claim, which you have not defended at all with any type of argument.

Again, you are incorrect. You've tap danced around all of my arguments. You've just tried to argue your way out of everything by assuming, and not comprehending what's been put before you.

Would you like me to do Primary and Secondary Research, all from credible sources, to prove the majority of modern 5'8" males weighing 135 lbs are considered to be light? I have the power and ability to do so. I just don't have the time, and the results are just going to be what the rest of us have already said.

I've addressed, countered, and sunk every argument you've presented. I did so all in an intelligent manner. When the cards didn't flop your way, you started to get an attitude. I, as well as Superstang, have also offered a solution, which you pretty much have done none of the sort. Also, everyone so far has been in agreeance, with myself, with exception to you.

You would never survive a debate, or health class. You'd be the guy trying to correct the instructor. And since you like to assume everything, no I'm not comparing myself to an all knowing instructor, because I am not. I do know a little bit about this health deal, just enough to get me by. I am also open to advice and thoughts from others. Which apparently you are not.

 

[PaxNovi 5.0]

You do realize what I was trying to say don't you? I am not saying a BMI chart is how you determine your ideal weight, I was simply using it to help in my case against what the other person said in that "That is too thin for most men" and while that may be true, there are some men who are healthy and that is their normal weight.

Obviously a person like you who bulks and is trying to put on weight/muscle will not use a BMI chart because what you are doing for your body is not natural.

If you look at his pictures you would not be of the impression that he is too thin, people are only saying that because they know what he weighs and that doesn't make sense to me.

If I told you a guy is 6'2 375 you would think he is a fat ass and post about what he needs to do to get into shape and then when you see his picture and it's Ronnie Coleman you will have a different perspective.

Then $uperstang comes in with the assumption that Lucky is wanting to make "gains" and put on weight/muscle when I'm pretty sure (I could be wrong) he said that he had no interest in going into the gym and he was happy with his weight loss but just wanted to lose a little bit of fat around his waist. He has no interest in a weight lifting diet/regime to put on weight and muscle mass.

Am I missing something here? Where is the confusion about this topic?

You just sunk your credibility on your own argument regarding IBW calculators. You essentially have zero premise for debate now, as this was your golden ticket argument.

 

[PaxNovi 5.0]

When I used to eat brown rice I would feel like crap. I found out it's because it contains pieces of the rice that are hard to digest and can cause an uncomfortable stomach, which I noticed in myself. It made me feel full also, whereas white rice did not.

Pasta makes me feel like crap as well. That's not a good carb.

Some of the baddest men and women in the world thrive on pasta. Bodybuilders, marathon runners, cyclists, etc. Our bodies are so vastly different, don't you think it inappropriate to say it's not a good carb, only because it doesn't agree with your body? Would you disagree?

 

[PaxNovi 5.0]

Can I ask how tall you are???

The problem with dieting for long amounts of time like you have, is it slows down the metabolism. I would increase calories just a little bit daily, maybe 200 calories. Your weight will go up, but your body will adjust and the weight will come back down. Once the weight is back to normal, increase again. Follow that pattern as long as your body weight settles back around to it's normal. Once the calories are up, go into another slight deficit to lose the remaining.

And since metabolism is a product of muscle, if you get in the gym a few days a week, even if only 45 mins or so, it will greatly aid in the stomach you mentioned.

Another solution I offered, that does not involve lifting, that you looked over. Metabolic training like this is effective.

 

[PaxNovi 5.0]

I was aware of the argument presented. Genetics govern most facets of body composition, that's a given. That said, there are ways around everything. 135 lbs for a height of 5'8" is considered light for most modern day males, even genetically. Most would agree on that.

But this is not the point, and I'm not trying to pick on my fellow Statie Lucky7. I'm just trying to offer possible insight on how to fill out his frame and address his stomach area he mentioned, at the same time. "Multiple birds, one stone" in this situation.

Here, you can see I did address your original statement. Again, notice the "mosts" in italics. Genetics of body comp can be overcome by exercise, diet, drugs, you name it. I was hoping you'd read between the lines here, since you assume everything else.

I also mentioned that you were steering off course by not giving advice.