FCA accused of bypassing emissions testing in same manner as VW

AutoRoc said:
You know you almost walked over to a tree today and gave it a hug....hahahahah
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I love trees. except when they mess up my cars and lawn. Then I cut them down and burn them. Usually use some used motor oil and a couple old tires to get it going. Saving landfill space dontcha know?
 
WhiteHawk said:
Should have checked with me before you bought that many!

-Geoff
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I only bought one. The other one is a lease and the other one is my son's. Happy with all. There was really no competition in any case. For what we got them for they are all the class leaders. Hope the incompetence never shows!

Didn't you work there about 20 years ago?
 
DeFormula said:
I only bought one. The other one is a lease and the other one is my son's. Happy with all. There was really no competition in any case. For what we got them for they are all the class leaders. Hope the incompetence never shows!

Didn't you work there about 20 years ago?
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15 and I still know people there. I have been at GM for 15 years now. And 15 years ago, in my opinion, GM was 15 years ahead of Chrysler in terms of knowing how to engineer things. I have seen it with my own eyes. GM has 10 times the expertise in things like emissions.

Last year Chrysler hired a calibrator I knew. He was pretty good at calibrations, but didn't have an engineering degree. He is a manager in the emissions group now. And it is getting worse, all the good people are leaving.

-Geoff
 
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You can probably plan on anyone that had a desire to build a cheap car and used Bosch controllers were probably cheating emissions.

I went to college with a guy that worked in SRT doing cals that quit a few years ago. Not entirely sure why he quit such a sweet job but I suspect it was Chrysler politics and lack of enginerding prowess. One of my wife's relatives worked there for decades doing petrochemical type work and walked away also.
 
WhiteHawk said:
15 and I still know people there. I have been at GM for 15 years now. And 15 years ago, in my opinion, GM was 15 years ahead of Chrysler in terms of knowing how to engineer things. I have seen it with my own eyes. GM has 10 times the expertise in things like emissions.

Last year Chrysler hired a calibrator I knew. He was pretty good at calibrations, but didn't have an engineering degree. He is a manager in the emissions group now. And it is getting worse, all the good people are leaving.

-Geoff
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An exec buddy of mine at FCA (not engineering) recently told me that they won't pay anything, so anyone that knows anything is getting hired by GM. There is truth to what you say. Still doesn't change the fact that I'm really liking my FCA products, especially the Scat Pack (the one I bought). Don't worry though, I still own a chevy and it's been good as well. I am equal opportunity. I own a Ford too.
 
I heard the software in question was not part of the vehicles normal operating system but was more like when the vehicle goes into to limp in mode for when the engine overheated to protect the engine from total melt down.
Since that addition to the software was not shown to the EPA (apparently all software and operating systems must be shown) it was considered a violation. We all know the only importance of the EPA is self preservation, so for Marchionne to say they will wait until the Trump Administration is in office just shows how smart of a CEO he really is. I'm sure a conversation about expanding investments in the US and creating more jobs at Chrysler will be part of the conversation. The announcement of expanding operations and investments at the Warren Truck plant is godsend in the area.
 
DeFormula said:
An exec buddy of mine at FCA (not engineering) recently told me that they won't pay anything, so anyone that knows anything is getting hired by GM. There is truth to what you say. Still doesn't change the fact that I'm really liking my FCA products, especially the Scat Pack (the one I bought). Don't worry though, I still own a chevy and it's been good as well. I am equal opportunity. I own a Ford too.
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At least you're not driving a prius...:)
 
moneypit said:
FCA just hired away one of my designers with 1 year on the job. 50% pay raise
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I hope he likes it, because he will never get a raise again. I have had multiple people tell me they won't interview Chrysler people anymore, because people are just trying to get offers to get raises. Shit is broken over there in engineering right now.

-Geoff
 
Detroit Gearbox said:
I heard the software in question was not part of the vehicles normal operating system but was more like when the vehicle goes into to limp in mode for when the engine overheated to protect the engine from total melt down.
Since that addition to the software was not shown to the EPA (apparently all software and operating systems must be shown) it was considered a violation. We all know the only importance of the EPA is self preservation, so for Marchionne to say they will wait until the Trump Administration is in office just shows how smart of a CEO he really is. I'm sure a conversation about expanding investments in the US and creating more jobs at Chrysler will be part of the conversation. The announcement of expanding operations and investments at the Warren Truck plant is godsend in the area.
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That makes sense. Definitely a disclosure issue, not an actually issue with the cars. That is what happens when a bunch of pencil pushing tree huggers try to manage complex engineering issues.

-Geoff
 
I think a race fuel demon says piss off EPA, seems like theres still some good engineers left making badass cars like the demon / hellcat
 
yeah seems like they are sucking at 200's, darts, where gm and ford are excelling, fusions, cruzes, malibus, oh good mpg cars
 
WhiteHawk said:
I used to work at Chrysler, then Daimler-Chrysler. I can assure you first hand that they are not smart enough to pull something like this off. A friend of mine just quit the emissions lab there a few months ago too. Said it was a complete clusterfuck.

It sounds like they did produce some vehicles that upon further inspection didn't pass emissions. Then when the feds started asking about stuff, it turns out that they didn't do the paperwork right either - that is the part where it talks about them not properly disclosing emissions devices. You wouldn't believe how many little pieces of paper and tubes are all called emissions devices now. Even the air cleaners have emissions devices in them now (activated carbon paper, and PCV). Then you have to pass tailpipe emissions, plus you have to pass emissions after a car shuts off and just sits there. Totally different situations. It is truly a maze of regulations, and diesels are even worse.

This is just incompetence. There is no way that somebody at FCA cooked up a scheme at the VW level to cheat. I could be wrong, like I was wrong about Trump losing to Hillary, but I doubt it!

-Geoff
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This....

Plus the fact that Chrysler, Daimler or FCA, whatever you want to call them today doesn't really have a diesel group. Everything diesel is contracted for the most part, there is a small group, but a majority of that is still contracted to others...I'd bet that they, FCA wouldn't really even be able to explain the overall operation of the group because they don't know it well enough.
 
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